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#440977 - 11/27/17 11:09 AM [Beginners Forum] Using 2 substyles
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I want to use substyle A for RT drums, but also want to use midi Strings which seem to only work with substyle B - is there any way to do get the Strings to be on substyle A?

Sorry if this is an obvious answer - but it is stumping me at the moment.

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#440985 - 11/27/17 11:35 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: pooch]
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Hmm. You could generate the song using substyle A, freeze the drum track, change to substyle B, and regenerate. Some variation of this trick should get you where you want to be.
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#441316 - 11/28/17 02:34 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: Matt Finley]
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Tried Freezing the drum track with substyle A, and the changing the song to B substyle so I can have strings- this worked for the first 8 bars, but at bar 9 where the substyle is B, the drums switch to the B substyle. Maybe I am not 'freezing' correctly?

And again, is there any way to get midi Strings on substyle A?

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#441320 - 11/28/17 03:11 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: pooch]
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Right, you have to go back and forth.

Alter the song so it is substyle A at bar 9 and wherever you want substyle A for drums. Generate, and freeze the drum track. Then alter the song back to add the B substyle and your frozen drums still play A. Likewise, make the whole song substyle B, freeze the string part, alter the song back and use F5 at a bar to mute the strings where desired. If not muted, they will play throughout because they were frozen in the B substyle (except for where you mute them).

Experiment.

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#441668 - 11/30/17 06:26 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: Matt Finley]
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OK - I froze the strings (substyle B) regenerated,etc... then changed song to substyle A to get the desired drum style - I have an 8 bar intro that I mute everything but drums - but with the strings frozen, the strings play thru the intro even with the bar setting muting them.... making progress, but still not there... again - WHY ARE STRINGS ENABLED ONLY WITH SUBSTYLE B?
Thanks.

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#441673 - 11/30/17 06:41 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: pooch]
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I don’t know why muting wouldn’t work. Try doing that before freezing the strings. An alternative is to set the volume to zero.

As to strings only being in B, that’s just a musical judgement. It’s standard stuff for arrangers, where the strings come in on the bridge (chorus). What you could do is go to the Styles Wishlist Forum and request some styles to be modified to have strings in the A sub style as well. That should be easy for PG Music if they agree there is a need.

I’m assuming no such styles exist yet. Anybody else know of any?
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#441905 - 12/01/17 01:19 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: pooch]
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Seems I made an incorrect assumption, but I thought 'freezing the track' meant the style. not the entire set of chord changes...

And muting did not work, nor did changing the volume to zero in the bar setting...

What I thought would be a simple change has become anything but...
Thanks for your efforts...

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#441908 - 12/01/17 01:25 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: pooch]
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If you want the strings on the "A" substyle, just go into the style editor and copy the strings "B" style riffs to the strings "A" style riffs, save it as a new style file. Make sure all the other settings are the same. That new style file will now play strings with both the the "A" and "B" substyles. You can then mute the strings track wherever you don't want to hear them.
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#441934 - 12/01/17 02:50 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Using 2 substyles [Re: pooch]
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In other words, make your own (modified) style and save it by a unique name. Thanks, John.

"And muting did not work, nor did changing the volume to zero in the bar setting..."
I don't understand this, unless you did it to frozen tracks.
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