Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#457280 - 02/13/18 04:41 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
Hard to discern what's happening in that vid, Pipeline
The goal is to have playing midi tracks with outputted chords.
But the only Midi track showing in your mixer is vibes, and there's no volume coming from it, so it appears that no midi track is playing. I hate to get so specific, but the corruption of my Tascam 144 (not Yamaha, my error) audio driver on the uninstall of Midi Ox, I would like a working roadmap to this.

So if Loopmidi alone...can allow BIAB to output Midi tracks WITH outputted chords, I need a detailed key to that kingdom spelled out. Here's the LoopMidi instructional. If someone is game to figure out the BIAB interface to this, here ya go....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGRtBNTNXP0
Thanks.

Top
#457321 - 02/13/18 08:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Originally Posted By: axelrod
...The goal is to have playing midi tracks with outputted chords...If Loopmidi alone...can allow BIAB to output Midi tracks WITH outputted chords as well, I'm all ears. But I'll need the keys to that kingdom spelled out.


1. Options > Prefs > Output chords enable
Chord Types
Channel (x)
Ticks before 0 or early ?
Write track to midi file.

2. Save Midi > file on disk
3. File > Import > Melody or Soloist from Midi file
Import saved midi and same channel only (x)

4. Load midiOut.dll into that track and set it to LoopMidi or external midi device.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oib452gwd4nnae6/Biab-midiOut2.mp4?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oib452gwd4nnae6/Biab-midiOut2.mp4?dl=1
_________________________
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool (look at the bottom of the page for the latest version.)

Top
#457328 - 02/13/18 09:17 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
Please indulge me, Pipeline. If what your saying can be done, this is a great help to me.
First of all...How does one load midiout.dll into one specific track.... and not have that overwritten as soon as you check the "Load VST/DXI" checkbox in Midi driver output ....to hear all your midi tracks?

Top
#457438 - 02/13/18 04:33 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
_________________________
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool (look at the bottom of the page for the latest version.)

Top
#457450 - 02/13/18 06:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
Nice work, P. I'll have to sit with this for a day or so.But just to be clear, each song requires defining a chord track, and following all the steps......it's not automatic like the old midi ox/yoke method. True?

Top
#457479 - 02/13/18 10:46 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Originally Posted By: axelrod
..it's not automatic like the old midi ox/yoke method. True?


Not sure what that method is ?

What are you using for midi sound in Biab, is it just the Coyote ?

You can just send midi out from Biab to VSTHost and load your vst's into it as it will let you send midi out from it to whatever.
I tried it with VSTSythFont.dll and the midiOut.dll (thought there is midi out in VSTHost you can filter and tweak) I set Biab to output on LoopMidi and VSTHost to Input LoopMidi. http://www.hermannseib.com/english/vsthost.htm this way you don't have to mess around saving chord tracks, you just start VSTHost and it's ready to go, and Biab Midi Out is just set to LoopMidi, no VSTi/DXi Synth, that is all in VSTHost .
The trouble with Biab and RealBand they won't let you chain midi vst's only audio, so if you load a midi vst it will only let you chain an audio after it, to solve the issue you need to use MiniHost http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=394808#Post394808
My whole life here is finding workarounds for things that you just do so simply in other audio software.







Attachments
Biab-VSTHost-02.png (144 downloads)
Biab-VSTHost-01.png


_________________________
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool (look at the bottom of the page for the latest version.)

Top
#457515 - 02/14/18 06:34 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Mike Lucich]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
Yes Pipeline, that too much work to go thru. I left a wishlist item that might get the ear of the developers. I don't want to jump thru hoops. If LoopMidi can take a BIAB MIDI output, route 15 channels to Coyote and 1 channel to A USB/Midi hardware converter Bingo. If not, I'll use Real Tracks

This is the crux of the issue-
1.Can this be done
2.What are the simple steps that will elegantly accomplish this.

John....Larry...Pipeline...anybody....

And i just sent this to LoopMidi creator:
I use PG Music Band in a Box with only ONE midi output device. To send piano chords to an external voice harmonizer, I need to send one midi channel to my USB to Midi hardware converter (Iconnectivity Mio) Can LoopMidi take the Band in a box Midi Output Signal, send 15 channels to a DXI, and one channel to that USB/midi device?
How?
Thank you


Top
#457529 - 02/14/18 08:16 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 04/08/07
Posts: 211
Loc: Jersey Channel Islands
Brian Cadoret Offline
Apprentice

Registered: 04/08/07
Posts: 211
Loc: Jersey Channel Islands
Hi,

Not sure if this might help your needs but the TransMIDIfier is a great way of splitting out one midi input to various midi outputs and ports.

http://www.bewaryprods.com/software/products/TransMIDIfier/

It's worth spending an hour and checking out the options.

Regards
Brian

Top
#457533 - 02/14/18 08:57 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Brian Cadoret]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
Thanks Brian.
Transmidifier doesn't show up in midi outs. You must first use Loopmidi or any virtual midi loopback cable, then it can do it's work. But for my simple need of opening up one more midi port for one channel, it is indeed overkill
Thanks again-

Top
#457557 - 02/14/18 11:59 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Larry Kehl]
Registered: 06/04/00
Posts: 2155
Loc: New Mexico
Larry Kehl Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 06/04/00
Posts: 2155
Loc: New Mexico
JUST an update on my earlier post in this thread -I noticed that you can no longer download the MIDI ReDirector from the WIKI page. The link for the download is down


http://bandinabox.wikia.com/wiki/VSTi_MidiRedirector_v_1.xx


anyone who wants it PM me (its 177KB's zipped)

Larry
_________________________
Win10Pro64,i78086K,32GB,2TBSSD+20TB HDDs,1080TI,Scarlett18i8,MIDI4x4,Montage7,Fusion 8HD,QS8,GR-50,Integra7,XV5080,Fantom-XR,QSR,SC-8850,SPLAT,FL20, SO3,MC8,AD2,ST3,Kontakt5,Amptube4,etc.. but I'm really a guitar player;AXE FX III+++

Top
#457595 - 02/14/18 03:49 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Larry Kehl]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Maybe just put it in a dropbox link.
I think that is just the same as midiOut.dll

Mike Lucich posted that in 2011 and even with 5000 + hits it has still not been implemented, so I think wishing ain't gonna help.

The VSTHost is the easiest option as you can set it to start with Windows and sit there minimized, then you don't need to do anything. Coyote is not that good a synth, there are better soudfonts that will load into VSTSythFont or if you have the Coyote Forte you can convert it to a GM sf2 and load it into SynthFont.

Also another easy way, if you want you can use http://www.hermannseib.com/english/savihost.htm
copy savihost.exe to your plugin folder and rename it to the same name as the vst eg: VSTSynthFont64.dll so rename savihost.exe > VSTSynthFont64.exe and set the midi in - out (see pic below), now create a shortcut for VSTSynthFont64.exe and place it in the Windows Start menu > Startup

The next way is just use an action script like AutoHotKeys,
one hot key will save the song as a midi file, Import the same midi's chord track channel, then all you need to do is load a preset on the chord track that loads midiOut.dll, once you save the song it will keep the chord track and midiOut.

Or, wait another 7 years and maybe you will see a midi out in the Output Chords dialog ????


Attachments
Biab-SAVIHost.png


_________________________
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool (look at the bottom of the page for the latest version.)

Top
#457604 - 02/14/18 06:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
Good point, Pipeline. With only 1 midi port, BIAB gives this no priority......in fact the Output Chords help file still predates Real Tracks.,,..and assumes your midi driver is going to the harmonizer and all your midi tracks come from an external synth!

The last time I invested so much energy into Loopback was Hubi's Looback midi driver in 1999... for an app that turned a computer keyboard into a chromatic piano keyboard.

I was hoping for an elegant single install to aid in the task of opening another BIAB port.,..but it will take 2 apps to do this, tweaking, and I'm old and tired....and done. I'll use Real Tracks behind my 4 Freshmen harmonies.

Thanks for all the great suggestions and generous help. You are truly a terrific and helpful bunch.

Top
#457608 - 02/14/18 07:28 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
This is MiniHost Standalone,VSTi or VST.
You can route/split midi (green) or audio (yellow) anywhere you like, in BB RB you are only allowed to add an FX after the VSTi, so it can only send audio and not midi.


Attachments
MiniHost-Midi-Route.png


_________________________
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool (look at the bottom of the page for the latest version.)

Top
#457655 - 02/15/18 06:31 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
"Just when i thought I was out, Pipeline pulls me back in"

What can this do for me, my friend?

Top
#457720 - 02/15/18 01:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
It's what BB RB need so you can split/send any midi anywhere and not just to 1 only device/synth. You can try MiniHost in BB or RB load it into a audio or midi track.
_________________________
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool (look at the bottom of the page for the latest version.)

Top
#457727 - 02/15/18 01:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Mike Lucich]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
1. Will it allow me to output chords to a "USB to Midi" hardware device while maintaining my BIAB midi out for the midi tracks?
.
2. If yes, can I do this on the fly, without having to load the midi chords of every song into an empty track in the mixer?

I assume the answer to at least one of the above questions is no. And as I said, it's only worth it to me if it can be done simply. Thanks again, Pipeline for your tenacity.

Top
#457731 - 02/15/18 02:27 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 06/04/00
Posts: 2155
Loc: New Mexico
Larry Kehl Online   content
Veteran

Registered: 06/04/00
Posts: 2155
Loc: New Mexico
Originally Posted By: axelrod
1. Will it allow me to output chords to a "USB to Midi" hardware device while maintaining my BIAB midi out for the midi tracks?
.


why not try it and report back

Larry

Top
#457737 - 02/15/18 03:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: Pipeline]
Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
axelrod Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 446
Loc: ny
Larry-
In answer to your question, TWO reasons why I just don't try stuff willy nilly.
1. A MIDI-OX uninstall already corrupted my Tascam audio drivers necessitating a system restore.
2. I'm only interested in a clear and safe, working solution, if someone has found one. If not, I'll live with Real Tracks while using a harmonizer.



Top
#457748 - 02/15/18 04:48 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: Has anyone had luck with "LoopBe1" for multiple midi? [Re: axelrod]
Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Pipeline Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/05/15
Posts: 3047
Try the savihost solution that won't stuff anything up.

1. Download savihost
http://www.hermannseib.com/programs/savihostx64.zip
http://www.hermannseib.com/programs/savihostx86.zip

2. Download VSTSynthFont
http://www.synthfont.com/VSTSynthFont64Setup.exe
http://www.synthfont.com/VSTSynthFontSetup.exe

3. Download a GM sountfont sf2 http://www.synthfont.com/soundfonts.html
also search google
Timbres Of Heaven GM_GS_XG_SFX V 2.0.sf2
Compifont_13082016.sf2
Musyng.sf2

4. Place savihost.exe in your plugins folder

5. Rename savihost.exe VSTSynthFont64.exe or VSTSynthFont.exe

6. Run VSTSynthFont64.exe and load the sf2 soundfont into SynthFont and turn the chord channel down or mute it.

7. Click up on Devices > MIDI > Set Input to same as Biab Output LoopMidi

8. Set Pass Thru to Output to your chord device.

9. Biab > Options > Prefs Chord Output >
Output chords enable
Chord Types
Channel
Ticks before 0 or early ?
Write track to midi file.

While still in Prefs > Channels check your chord output channel is not used.
Midi Driver > set Biab Midi Output to LoopMidi (don't use a VSTi or DXi Synth).

You can create a shortcut for VSTSynthFont64.exe and place it in the start menu > Startup, or place it on your desktop, or create a bat file to start Biab and VSTSynthFont64.exe at the same time http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=437598#Post437598
_________________________
Free Biab & BiabVST Chord Picker Tool (look at the bottom of the page for the latest version.)

Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2019 - Order in Time for Christmas!

Looking to put Band-in-a-Box® under the tree? It's not too late!

USA/Canada: Order before 12:30 pm Pacific time December 21st for Express delivery
Outside of North America: Order before 12:30 pm Pacific time December 19th.

Order online anytime at www.pgmusic.com and be downloading most products within minutes!

Until December 31, 2018 - save over 40% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows Upgrade!

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows, we've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some amazing Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Windows 2019 packages, but for more even more Add-ons (including 40 Unreleased RealTracks) upgrade it to the 2019 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

Notation Enhancements in Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows!

There are Notation Enhancements in the NEW Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows! These include:
•A new button in the Print Options dialog which lets you quickly print a "chords only" fake sheet. You can also access this from the right-click menu on the chord sheet.
•A new track type (Drums) is now available for The Melody and Soloist tracks.
•Clicking close to a stave line will put a note on the stave line instead of between stave lines. (Previously, you had to click extremely close to a stave line to insert a note on The line.)
•Double-clicking on the Standard mode Notation window (or on the time line in Editable or Staff Roll mode) plays the song from the current time location. Previously, it played the song from the beginning of the current bar.
•Holding down the [Ctrl] key and pressing the zoom in/out buttons results in finest possible incremental adjustment in size.
•In The Notation Windows Options dialog, The clefs split point asterisk indicates that C5* is middle C.
•Pressing The space bar plays the song from the current time location, not the current bar.
•The clefs split point can be set by the spin controls.
•The right-click menu in the Editable or Staff Roll mode Notation window has an option to change the current beat resolution. Previously, the only way to do this was to right-click on the time line.
•There's a keystroke entry notation mode - the 'N' mode, which lets you enter a melody entirely using keystrokes. The keystrokes are N to enter a note, up/down cursor to change its pitch, and left/right cursor to move the time line.
•You can now edit any track in the Event List Editor. When The dialog opens, it will show you the MIDI data in the current Notation track.
•You can quickly enter forced accidentals from the right-click menu.

We talk about these new features within our Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows®! New Features, RealTracks, and other content! video:
25:45 - New Features: Easy Entering of Notation with the 'N' Key
36:48 - Change Beat Resolution From the Right-Click Menu
37:15 - Easier Entry of Notes on Lines
37:42 - Asterisk to Indicate Middle C on & Spin Controls
37:53 - Force Accidental from the Right-Click Menu
38:01 - Edit Any Track in the Event List
38:09 - Keystroke Note Entry Mode 'N' for Faster Note Entry
38:28 - Print Chords Only Fake Sheet
38:32 - More Control of Notation Size

Rather read about it?
-Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows® Upgrade Manual
-New Feature Summary - Notation Enhancements

The New Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows SongPicker!

With Band-in-a-Box® 2019, the SongPicker has been redesigned!
-The completely redesigned window shows information for up to 50,000 songs.
-The song list build is much faster. Approximately 150 songs get added per second.
-A progress bar will appear if the song list build takes longer than 3 seconds.
-You can see the chord progression for the selected song in the list. You can copy and paste it to a text file.
-Many filters are available. You can filter the list by subfolders, genre, feel, time signature, style, songs with melody, soloist, lyrics, key signature, tempo range, and the year of file dates.
-You can search songs that have similar chord progressions and/or melody fragments.
-Hotkey! ss+enter opens the SongPicker, ss2+enter opens the Recently Played Songs, etc.

Learn more about the updates with our New Features Video - we've made it easy to find the section you'll need:
2:55 - New Feature: Redesigned SongPicker
21:58 - New Features: SongPicker Enhancements
41:10 - Now Over 10,600 Titles in SongPicker

You can also read all about the new SongPicker within our Online Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows® Upgrade Manual.

RealBand 2019 Online and PDF Manuals Available!

Visit our Online Manuals support page for access to the latest RealBand 2019 for Windows program manuals!

RealBand 2019 for Windows User's Guide: Online Manual | PDF Download
RealBand 2019 for Windows New Features Guide: Online Manual | PDF Download

RealBand 2019 is included in every purchase of Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows! We're having a SALE on Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Upgrade purchases until December 31, 2018 - save over 40% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows Upgrade! Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Online and PDF Manuals Available!

Visit our Online Manuals support page for access to the latest Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows program manuals!

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows User's Guide: Online Manual | PDF Download
Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows Upgrade Manual: Online Manual | PDF Download

Don't forget.... We're having a SALE on Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Upgrade purchases until December 31, 2018 - save over 40% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows Upgrade! Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available

Band-in-a-Box® 2019 on a USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Speed Thrills!

We're excited to say that all Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows UltraPAK and UltraPAK+ orders now ship on a USB 3.0 hard drive!

What does this mean? Faster hard drive transfer rates will enhance the program operations (faster time to generate tracks, reduced audio artifacts) and offer faster transfer speeds (typically up to 3x faster)!

It's a great time to order your UltraPAK or UltraPAK+ Upgrade... they're ON SALE until December 31st!

Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows® New Features!

Our "Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Windows®! New Features, RealTracks, and other content!" video is now ready! Get to know all about the newest features in Band-in-a-Box® 2019: Click here to watch...

We have listed a table of contents for this video, you'll see it within the YouTube video description, or by visiting this forum post.

Forum Stats
28476 Members
58 Forums
55363 Topics
461318 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
gaboz, Gord Heath, Krisssss Wu, MikeF, csinclair152

28475 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Matt Finley 398
Pipeline 363
Noel96 273
jford 268
VideoTrack 252
PeterGannon 223
Al-David 176
fiddler2007 151
Jim Fogle 131
dcuny 122
Today's Birthdays
Country Fever, Mariothegreat