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So whats all the fuss?Is 64 twice as fast as32?Is it higher quality somwhow?Will it do a better job of 'something'What? Seems to me its toys for boys,a bit like putting another pair of spotlights on yr car."Hey cool,guys,look at all my lights'. I arrange my songsin BB andvthen send individ trackwavs to my DAW.Will it do that better? Maybe someone(s) will splain to me what it will do for me as opposed to my obviously pathetic 32bits of something.  Ta,Wendy 
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I have personally not noticed any appreciable improvement in performance, but maybe that's just my modest "rig." In fact, with the little bit of messing around I've done over the last couple of days, I actually sensed that the 32 bit version ran smoother...
While I was somewhat excited to have Reaktor 6 and other plugins/vst(i)s running straight in BiaB, most of those I tried wouldn't run anyway and ended up crashing the system. What's more, dragging RTs/MIDI into Reaper and working from there is still so much simpler, I really could not find a single advantage of using the 64 bit version.
As for the plugin, the first time I tried it it simply crashed Reaper (and I've had Reaper crash less than a handful of times on huge projects, IIRC, when trying to load something dodgy or incompatible), so I'm not even gonna bother with that feature probably.
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Others will be able to explain better than I. But in a nutshell with the increase in 64bit operating systems more and more applications are being written to make use of the 64bits. This increases memory use and can have better maths etc. Therefore the support for 32bit applications is slowly but surely waning. Most of the really good quality VSTs (plugins) for example natively are 64bit. For 64bit plugins to work with a 32bit application they need another program to get them to work (enter jbridge) this is not always successful. 64bits allows for better use of memory above 4gig. These days 8, 16, 32 or more gig systems are common place. It is a shame not to make the best use of them. Operating systems such as those used by MACs are slowly but surely dropping support for 32bit applications. There is a feeling amongst a lot of folk that also see the eventual end to 32bit OS for windows. This will take some time but for years now support for 16 or 8 bits has gone by the wayside. I guess as things change we need to change with them. Make the best use of what is available. Not a great explanation but it has been some time since I have had to make such explanations. See https://www.izotope.com/en/support/knowledge-base/differences-between-32-bit-and-64-bit-audio-software-plug-ins.htmlMuch better explanation Tony
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Tony has provided a very good explanation above. Put simply, PG Music has future proofed Band In A Box by migrating it into a 64 bit platform. Not everyone will see the importance of this right now, but given time, this move will have become imperative. I like to keep abreast of technology, so am moving now. Plus, I like the new features! 
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Tony has provided a very good explanation above. Put simply, PG Music has future proofed Band In A Box by migrating it into a 64 bit platform. Not everyone will see the importance of this right now, but given time, this move will have become imperative. I like to keep abreast of technology, so am moving now. Plus, I like the new features! Are there any features available in 64 bit version not available in 32? I realize 64 bit plugins are supported only in the 64 bit version Thanks
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Tony has provided a very good explanation above. Put simply, PG Music has future proofed Band In A Box by migrating it into a 64 bit platform. Not everyone will see the importance of this right now, but given time, this move will have become imperative. I like to keep abreast of technology, so am moving now. Plus, I like the new features! Are there any features available in 64 bit version not available in 32? I realize 64 bit plugins are supported only in the 64 bit version Thanks I am told it is the same base code, but just complied for 32bit or 64 bit. Essentially the features are identical across versions (except for the 64 bit only content).
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I had been trying to use SWAM saxophone modeling as well as Pro Session and Mojo horns (via Kontakt) with Jbridge and experienced crashes after 5 minutes. So far with 64-bit no crashes. An example of what I can now do is use the Melody harmony function to feed a whole 5 piece horn section. Actually, I can use the THRU harmony to play LIVE fully-harmonized horn sections. This alone is pretty cool. 64-bit-ness is not the future.. It's the PRESENT.
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I had been trying to use SWAM saxophone modeling as well as Pro Session and Mojo horns (via Kontakt) with Jbridge and experienced crashes after 5 minutes. So far with 64-bit no crashes. We need to see a lot more feedback like this regarding the BB19.
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As for the plugin, the first time I tried it it simply crashed Reaper (and I've had Reaper crash less than a handful of times on huge projects, IIRC, when trying to load something dodgy or incompatible), so I'm not even gonna bother with that feature probably.
We need this feedback also... 
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Hi Wendy,
If you are using mostly RTs, RDs and a little MIDI then 32 bit will work perfectly. But if you are using 64 bit VSTis and VSTs then 64 bit BiaB eliminates the need for the jBridge workaround. I gave up trying to get 64 bit VSTis to work properly in BiaB but now I will be able to use them natively, i.e. no jBridge workaround. Plus as been mentioned 32 bit programs are fading away.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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The only issue I have is that when I select the VST, I have ONE SHOT to use the VST GUI. Once it's minimized or closed, it requires shutting down BIAB and restarting. Trying to click again gives an "Editor is already open" error. I guess it IS open, but if I can't see it, that doesn't do me a whole lot of good.
Also, on a smaller monitor, I'd love to have the BIAB GUI menu go away as it takes up half the screen making me scroll all around for the VST GUI. I'm grateful to have something stable, but I hope PG Music can make some small tweaks toward useability. These instruments are killer, and would be fun to use in live settings if it weren't so difficult to change the parameters.
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The only issue I have is that when I select the VST, I have ONE SHOT to use the VST GUI. Once it's minimized or closed, it requires shutting down BIAB and restarting. Still the case in BB19?
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On the technical side, even though 64-bit operating systems can run 32-bit applications, behind the scenes very memory address reference has to be translated from a 64-bit memory location to a 32-bit memory location. In a 64-bit app, that memory is addressed directly. On today's i7 processors, it is probably negligible, but in theory, that translation takes some time. And if a 32-bit programmer did some non-standard tricks to address memory (for performance, for example), it's possible that the 32-bit app will not operate properly at times in a 64-bit environment.
So, if the application is properly coded, you should see a better performing application running 64-bit code on a 64-bit operating system.
And as has been stated, because it's 64-bit, you are no longer constrained by a 4GB memory barrier of a 32-bit system. Even if your computer has 32GB in it, a 32-bit application can only use 4GB of the 32GB. Now the 32GB gives you more memory space to run multiple 32-bit applications, each application is constrained to the 4GB memory space. While theoretically, you could address 16 Exabytes in a 64-bit environment, today Windows 10 64-bit lets you actually address 128GB of memory (32 times what Windows XP supported).
So, if you use large sample libraries (which you probably aren't really doing much in BIAB), you could natively load all into memory. JBridge gets around that by fooling a 32-bit OS into thinking it's 64-bit, but there are overhead and constraints with that (and id doesn't always work).
And the world is going 64-bit, so as has been said, this will definitely set PGMusic up for the future (at least until a 128GB OS arrives).
Now, if we can just get RealBand and PowerTracks to 64-bit, and get all the plugins and "called" mini-apps up to 64-bit, then that will be "da bomb".
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Many thank yous.As my Win7 PC only has 4gb memory anyway I guess 64 bits wasted on me.For mysimplistic useage I guess I'll just keep on loving the new RTs and keep on doing what I'm doing the way that I do it.
As thenew one appears to be a bit buggy anyway I'll hold off a couple of weeks before I Splash his Cash.
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Don't forget you can still use the 32-bit version of BIAB 2019 whilst any 64-bit issues are being resolved. You also then of course can get all the great new RealTracks and Drums etc. the move to 64-bit is sonething PG Music had to do i think for their future long term.
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Correct. Wendy, it's still a new version of Biab whether you need 64 bit or not. It has many enhancements, new styles, new midi Supertracks, new performances, lots of cool stuff.
Probably 90% of current users are like you, 64 bit does nothing for them and they don't care about using Biab as a VST in a DAW either. But, it brings PG Music into the modern world of 64 bit apps and that's a good thing. The fact that most of us are not power users doesn't mean that others are not high level power users. They will use the VST in a DAW plus they appreciate being able to use 64 bit plugins natively.
Biab needs to be able to accommodate all levels of users from basic to studio pros with degrees in music production.
To those who are having issues with the VST in a DAW part, this is brand new. We know it does work and it's better in some DAW's than others right now. Give it a little time, I'm amazed they got this far with it.
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Correct. Wendy, it's still a new version of Biab whether you need 64 bit or not. It has many enhancements, new styles, new midi Supertracks, new performances, lots of cool stuff.
Probably 90% of current users are like you, 64 bit does nothing for them and they don't care about using Biab as a VST in a DAW either. But, it brings PG Music into the modern world of 64 bit apps and that's a good thing. The fact that most of us are not power users doesn't mean that others are not high level power users. They will use the VST in a DAW plus they appreciate being able to use 64 bit plugins natively.
Biab needs to be able to accommodate all levels of users from basic to studio pros with degrees in music production.
To those who are having issues with the VST in a DAW part, this is brand new. We know it does work and it's better in some DAW's than others right now. Give it a little time, I'm amazed they got this far with it.
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Im no power user.I just use it like its my own personal Band and I dont have to buy the drinks.I took this up two yrs ago and its let me make backing tracks for the stuff I sing in the way that I want it to be and have more or less ditched commecially made bTs.I found some ideas I have shall we say Challenging but the posters on here have so much knowhow that Ive usually got it done.Im immensely grateful for the advise. Iwonder though if creating NEW styles in MIDI have been abandoned now.Sure there are about 2000 already maybe more but it seems to be all aimed at RTs which I adore. But I just wondered is all. Wendy
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They definitely haven't abandoned MIDI as there's a ton of new MIDI stuff in 2019. I don't use it very much since most of the stuff I do is with RT but I have used it a few times like when I'm needing a piano part and the RT is stretched to the limit (no pun intended) and it's giving me artifacts. I can usually find a good MIDI piano and use it.
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I remember when BiaB was 8 bit MS-DOS. I suppose if you had a dinosaur computer you could still use the DOS version, but personally, I wouldn't.
Sooner or later there will be 128 bit computers out there and sooner or later BiaB will go there.
You may not need 64 now, but sooner or later you will want it.
Kudos to PG Music for the giant step forward, even though I am deeply steeped in MIDI. In the future, audio will rival the editing features that MIDI offers today, and when that day comes, I may abandon MIDI.
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