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I'm sorry if this is redundant. I have not found the magic words for a search to find this question answered. Will "The Trumpet 3" work with BIAB to give me a realistic trumpet sound. If I load an MGU file, for edample, and use realtracks for the backup, can I get a realistic trumpet sound on the (MIDI) melody line this way? Is there a less expensive way? I simple can't stand the sound I get with the built in methods. Of course, I mute the trumpet line much of the time while practicing, but when I want to listen to the whole thing I'd like the trumpet line to sound like a trumpet and not a kazoo. Thanks much, Denver
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Short version: It depends on which version of BiaB you're running. The Trumpet v3 runs in the 64 bit Kontakt Player, so requires that the host program (BiaB) be able to run 64 bit VSTis. BiaB 2018 and prior were 32 bit, so they required jBridge to run 64 bit VSTis. So if you're running BiaB 2018 or prior, you should be able to run The Trumpet in the Kontakt Player if you have jBridge. PG Music offered it as an optional purchase with BiaB. However, the 2019 release of BiaB is now 64 bit native, which means it will be able to run 64 bit VSTis (like Kontakt) without JBridge. So if you're running BiaB 2019, you should be able to run it without jBridge. Caveat: I haven't tested The Trumpet, but I'm running other Kontakt 64 bit libraries under BiaB 2018.
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Denver do you play an instrument? If so let us know what instrument. That way we can help you get more realistic horns via MIDI.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I have no problem upgrading to 2019, though I do have JBridge from an earlier version. Now I am assuming that if I get The Trumpet running with the included player in BIAB what I will get is a better trumpet sound but with the artificial articulation of the current output. That is, all at the same level from attack to end of each note. If I wanted to make the line even more realistic with a real attack and "fall off", etc. what would I be getting into? Would I need to learn the full Kontakt 6 machine? or some other product from these people? I know this is getting above and beyond, but I appreciate any direction you might give. I am a total noob at this despite using (successfully) BIAB for some years as my practice buddy.
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Yes. Bach Mt. Vernon Cornet, Strad model, Bach #6 or Schilke 14 mouthpiece, depending on the sound I want. Also some piano and sometimes a Bach trumpet. Thank you for offering to help. I have used BIAB for some years but all this other is totally new to me.
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Being a trumpet player, it's going to be difficult to find a synth that sounds good to you for a trumpet.
You've heard it sound real for years (and how you like it).
There is always some give/take in this situation.
Do you plan to keep/publish any of the resulting tracks or just use for reference/practice?
Make your sound your own!
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My use in the immediate future is for reference and practice, but using it live is in the back of my mind. Publishing? I doubt I am that good!
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I agree that it will be hard for you to achieve that real trumpet sound however with the right tools you can come close. You said that you play some piano so if you have or get a MIDI keyboard controller you can add either an expression pedal or a breath controller. That will help you get a more realistic sounding trumpet. Both would be used to control CC11 which means more volume control. You can control a few more CCs with an Akai wind controller: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/589255-REG/Akai_EWI_USB_EWI_USB_Wind_Instrument.htmlIt can be set to a trumpet like fingering.It takes a little time to master but it can make a VSTi sound more realistic. I use it for all of my brass and woodwind sounds as well as many others. I was a trumpet player and the fingering is just like a trumpet so all you have to really learn is the octave rollers. I have no experience with Trumpet 3 but I do have and like the Screaming Trumpet: https://realitone.com/products/screaming-trumpetbut it needs the full Kontakt version; it will not work in the player. I hope this helps.
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Thank you. That is very informative. Wayne Bergeron is one of my trumpet heroes, and not necessarily for the high notes. I'm not really a high note fan...more of a Chet Baker sound. Screaming Trumpet sounds amazing in the demos, but so does Trumpet 3. Looks like, for budgetary reasons, I should start with Trumpet 3 and the included player to get some kind of sound resembling a real trumpet in BIAB, and graduate to Kontakt 6, etc. as my budget and learning allow. Make sense or no?
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Not so quick. The webpage Pipeline linked to is from 2005. We regret to report that production of the MDT has been discontinued. webpage is the USA distributor, Patchman Music. Check out their page for used midi gear!
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Pipeline, OMG James Morrison, another of my trumpet heroes. Thanks so much. I will have to take some time to sit down and digest this info. This is great! I had no idea this stuff existed.
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Shucks. Thanks,Jim Fogle, I'll check it all out.
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Hold everything. Looks like if I buy Screaming Trumpet at the curremt sale price of 99 dollars I can get the Kontakt 6 as a crossgrade for 249. Anyone see a catch to this?
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Native Instruments just had their thanksgiving sale 50% off so I think at that price you are still doing good.
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I ended up getting Kontakt via crossgrade and the 50% sale last summer. Having the full version of Kontakt opens a lot of options for you. Having a breath controller for The Trumpet is probably the best route, as you've played trumpet before. You can drive it with an expression pedal or a mod wheel, but I think you'll find the breath controller a lot more natural. You might also have a look at WIVI Band, which is in the same general price range. But I suspect that you'll like The Trumpet a lot better, based on what I've heard. But it's got a free trial, so you can get a feel for the instruments. The main advantage of the WIVI route is that it doesn't require the Kontakt player, but I don't think it's as realistic an instrument. I've had my eyes on the SWAM Saxophones myself... maybe next year I can justify the purchase. But the demos for The Trumpet sound sweet. 
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I have seen this before and I would love to get this but the price makes it impossible right now. {edit} oops never mind. It looks like a lot of people couldn't afford it either!
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David is right in that a wind controller is the way to go for a trumpet player or actually any wind instrument player. I tried the expression pedal, mod wheel as well as routing different sliders to emulate breath and they just didn't work all that well. They may for a keyboard player though.
One of the options of the full Kontakt is that you can take any patch and make it a wind controlled patch. Thus you are not limited to those companies that make wind controlled patches.
David I have the Swan Saxes and they are the most realistic saxes that I have found. I wish all wind instrument patches used the Swan interface. It is so easy to change attributes with it. Also you can change between various keyboard and wind controllers with a click or two.
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So I'm downloading the WIVI trial right now. It looks like "Screaming Trumpet" requires Kontakt full version but does not require registration with Kontakt which is a requirement for the crossgrade. Soooo...looks like the best route is to buy "Trumpet 3" which does require registration with Kontakt and hope that it qualifies for the crossgrade. If it doesn't, at least I'll have a decent back end for BIAB midi trumpet. Any thoughts?
Clearly I have a lot of learning to do...can someone direct me to a good resource for MIDI, VSTs, Samplers, etc. I don't even have a good handle on the order I should approach this in. Thanks so much to all of you. This community is amazing! I have been on boards where noobs are simply ignored or trolled. Not here? Thanks again to all. Denver
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Assuming you're a decent keyboard player, I think you'll be best served by The Trumpet and a breath controller. Although you'll really need a breath controller to get the most out of both instruments, you've got other options. You can use the Modulation wheel to control the amplitude/timbre of The Trumpet and WIVI instruments. And if you want, you can go into the BiaB Piano Roll Editor and draw in the CC curves to manually create the dynamics. Heck, you can even do that with the GM trumpet patch you're currently using, and see if you can get better results that way. By the way, Embertone has their Chapman Trumpet, which is a sampled trumpet, so it won't have the dynamic timbre changes of The Trumpet 3. But it's got lovely sampled legato transitions - you need to practice to get used to the delay in moving from one note to the next, but it's a gorgeous sound. It requires Kontakt full, but it's only $30.
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David, thanx for that Chapman Trumpet info. I had not heard of that one before. It does sound great so it is on my wish list!
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David, thanx for that Chapman Trumpet info. I had not heard of that one before. It does sound great so it is on my wish list! Yeah, I was really happy with the purchase. It's one of those instruments that really does sound as great as on the demos. Currently my daughter plays the EWI from a little netbook, so I ported the Chapman Trumpet to a .sfz. For slow songs, the legato is great, but I need to put together a version that doesn't have the transitions so she can use it on faster stuff. In the Kontakt instrument, you can just put it into Polyphonic mode, and the transitions disappear. Since I'm veering off topic, I'll also mention that I've been playing the Embertone Sensual Sax via the EWI as well. It's got (optional) "embellished" sampled legato, which can be a lot of fun to play. For $20, it's a steal, but it also requires the full version of Kontakt. Not the same as SWAM, but it'll do for now. 
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I just bought a wind controller and BIAB UltraPak+. I am a keyboard player and use the controller with a sound module. How can I use it with BIAB?
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I can answer part of the question, assuming you're running Windows. First, you'll want to install the ASIO4All driver. This is a low-latency audio driver. Without it, audio will be routed through Window's default audio processing path, which will add a delay between you playing a note, and the note sounding: Next, you'll want to set the controller up in BiaB, as well as setting ASIO as your driver, and change the default instrument that sound when you play the controller to be something better than the default MIDI instrument, because it doesn't respond to breath pressure: - Plug in the breath controller so it's active
- Launch BiaB
- In the menu, choose Options | MIDI/Audio Driver Setup to open the dialog.
- In the MIDI Input Driver list, choose the controller (ex: USB-EWI) by double clicking it
- Click Use VSTi/DXi Synth
- Click Route MIDI Through MIDI Driver
- Click the button under Route MIDI Through MIDI Driver to bring up the VST/Synths/Plugins (synth in first slot) dialog.
- Notice that Default Synth is selected. This means you're setting the default synthesizer the BiaB plays when you play your controller.
- In the first dropdown of the Plugin list, choose the plugin player (Aria, Kontakt, or whatever you're using).
- If BiaB doesn't see your plugin, choose Add VSTi plugin from the list, and find your plugin. Where the plugin is located depends on the plugin you're using.
- Note that the second item in the dropdown says Forced MIDI Chan=1, which is good.
- Insert the instrument into the player
- Click the [X] in the dialog window to close it
- Click Audio Settings... button
- Under Audio Driver Type, choose ASIO to open the ASIO Audio Driver dialog box
- In the Select one ASIO Device, choose ASIO4ALL v2 by double-clicking
- Make sure Resampler Quality is set to Fast, or you'll still have a delay
- Click OK to close the ASIO Audio Driver dialog
- Click OK button to close the Audio Setting dialog
If this works, you should be able to play MIDI notes with your wind controller using BiaB, and hear the sound of your VSTi when you play it. Now, here's the catch - the sound you set for your controller isn't the sound assigned to the MIDI track! That is, it's the sound you'll hear when you play the controller, but not necessarily the sound you get when you play back the recording of the track. For that, BiaB uses the instrument assigned to the track. To change the instrument assigned to the track, it's similar to setting the Default Synth sound: - Click the Plugins tab of the Mixer
- On the melody instrument, click the first [None] to open the VST/Synths/Plugins (synth in first slot) dialog pops up
- In the first dropdown of the Plugin list, choose the plugin player (Aria, Kontakt, or whatever you're using).
- Insert the instrument into the player
I've never tried doing this before, so perhaps I've missed some simple way to hear the sound assigned to the track while you're recording. Hopefully someone else knows..?
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To hear the instrument in real time you have to click ASIO Always On.
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Just curious - how did The Trumpet turn out?
A SWAM Trumpet was announced last year, but the release date was pushed back until Spring 2019. Private demos were given at NAMM, but an actual release is some time off.
So I'm considering picking up The Trumpet instead of waiting for the SWAM version, but wondered if you (or anyone else) had a strong opinion about it.
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Personally I'll take the SWAN interface over Kontakt's interface when it comes to using a wind controller. I find the nuances and options much easier to control with the SWAN interface. Plus saving your settings is easier with it. But another great sounding trumpet is the Screaming Trumpet by Realitone : https://realitone.com/products/screaming-trumpetIt comes with two different trumpets and currently is my go to trumpet. I will look at the SWAN trumpet with it comes out.
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Personally I'll take the SWAN interface over Kontakt's interface when it comes to using a wind controller. I find the nuances and options much easier to control with the SWAM interface. Plus saving your settings is easier with it. Hi, Mario. I believe it's also more lightweight, which is another factor. The primary use case is in a church setting, where the blend is more important than a strident trumpet tone. I thought I could hold out until Spring, but I listened to a bunch of demos, and the sound is starting to grow on me. I suspect in the long run I'll end up getting them both (and possibly selling off The Trumpet if they are essentially equal). Thanks!
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To answer my own question - The Trumpet 3 is very nice.
Out of the box, it "just works", so I haven't had to fiddle with the Kontakt settings.
Oddly enough, the attack works better on the EWI with Breath Controller selected instead of Wind Controller.
If AudioModeling can top or equal this, it'll be quite a feat.
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A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
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