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I've always used RB...I don't do any live performances, or even live recording into the DAW. But I'm getting frustrated with how often it crashes...I seem to spend more time sometimes trying to recover or fix something, or make something work the way I want it to.
I'm wondering if anyone else has had this experience (running W10), and I'm thinking of converting to something that claims to be more stable.
Interested in feedback...Thanks! I’ve said it before each DAW be it RB, Sonar, Reaper, Pro Tools, Ableton, Studio One or any other of the many available have their good points and also areas where they could be improved. When it comes to RB I find I useful for regenerating parts in RealTracks where I want to. I then export to .wav then pull the wav into Reaper where I feel the tools are better for manipulating audio. I tend to use Sonar for editing MIDI because I am more familiar with MIDI in Sonar. I believe once you learn one DAW it is not so steep to learn another. Most of the rules apply similarly albeit maybe a slightly different way to achieve it. I also found in learning a different DAW I have learnt approaches I can apply in other DAWs. It is a continual learning exercise that’s what makes it fun for me. Different tools for different jobs. IMHO Tony
Interested in feedback...>>>Feedback is simple. The solution to each of those issues and more is simple. A stand alone multitrack recorder will do all of that and much more. Doesn't have the glamor and glitz of a brand name DAW to brag about but starting from scratch, one can be recording a song before a DAW can process through start up and be armed to record. You get the benefit of a multi track recorder that includes a proprietary DAW software designed not to crash the system due to memory being overtaxed. The software gives you all the basics of good plug ins to do a project from start to finish without the aid of a computer or external DAW program while retaining the ability to easily and quickly have access to your favorite or least favorite DAW if you wish. Some Multitrack recorders are also audio interfaces and controllers if that is the workflow you desire. But to address your specific issues stated above, there is not much of a learning curve as the OS systems mostly migrate similar in features and techniques between models and brands. This means if you start with a basic, low cost unit and upgrade to a better quality more full featured unit, they will operate similarly. For instance, there is only minor differences between operating a Zoom H1,H5,H6 or R8. The same for Tascam units. Stability is rock solid. Period. I have never had a crash with my multi track recorders. Years of faultless service. I have owned or still own Zoom r16, r24, H1, and still own an H5. Never a crash with any of them. I had Tascam Porta Studios, DP004, 2488neo MarkII and DP-24 without any failures. Some multi tracks are better suited for the home studio environment than others. I have found the Tascam DP-24/32 series to be the most full featured for studios and also the easiest to navigate. I prefer the DP-24 over the DP-32 simply because the additional tracks and features of the DP-32 don't justify the cost difference. This market is evolving and there are many new units being introduced that focus on home studios and bear consideration. To retain using a DAW, many brands offer mixers with USB connection and also audio interface capability. Others may also include control capability or both. But there's a new generation of digital stand alone multitrack that record 12, 24, 32 or more tracks in the same manner as the current DP-32, Zoom r24 series of multitracks and record the individual tracks and a stereo mix in the unit itself but also function as a live mixer, USB connectivity and multitrack audio interface. Presonus AR series, Studiolive series and the new Tascam 24 are examples. Higher end digital mixers by Yamaha, Allen & Heath and Behringer have DAW mode and multitrack audio interface and have pro grade digital effects. Behringer units are interesting because they have stage head units that are controlled wirelessly/wired by tables in 12,16 and 18 input units and also a desktop unit that all share the same OS and features that is also the same OS and features of the X32 line. Learn one OS and you can operate their entire line of mixer/recorders. None of these stand alone or hybrid mixer/interfaces have near the learning curve of even the most basic DAW but each and everyone of them will connect in some way with your favorite DAW if that's what you want to do. None of these units require complex setup and configuration.
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I don't view Realband as a legit DAW. Way too quirky and buggy. Any DAW would be an improvement. The only redeeming feature is its integration with RealTracks.
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Tony has it right. Use RealBand for what it does best/uniquely then move the project to your choice of DAW. I may use five or more audio software programs on a project before it’s done.
EDIT: I see other good replies follow. Lots of good advice in this thread.
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Reaper and ProTools. Reaper because of there free videos and ProTools cause its Pro Tools!
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Cakewalk by Bandlab. Free.(and prior versions). It is the only Windows DAW to my knowledge that allows for proper track navigation and zoom using a touchscreen.
I do a lot of tracking, so instead of "mousing" around, I prefer touchscreen to locate / zoom in parts, set pointer. Community is very helpful. Owner seems to be a decent guy who cares about improving things. Since Studio One 3 you may use multi-touchscren on your main PC or/and on a remote control tablet
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Just looking at Computer Music magazine as I saw this. They rate Studio One 4 as the best daw for 2018. Elsewhere in the magazine they state the best freeware product is Cakewalk by BandLab.
Lots of other reviews puts Reaper up there. Some also rate ProTools.
Each to their own.
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Just looking at Computer Music magazine as I saw this. They rate Studio One 4 as the best daw for 2018. Elsewhere in the magazine they state the best freeware product is Cakewalk by BandLab.
Lots of other reviews puts Reaper up there. Some also rate ProTools.
Each to their own.
Tony I was using Reaper and was really happy with it until I received a free copy of Studio One Artist with a Blackstar guitar amp I purchased, I liked it so much I upgrade to Studio One Pro and now use it pretty much exclusively, I still like Reaper and occasionally use it, especially when I need to test a plugin that is bombing out in Studio One, to confirm it's the plugin and not the DAW.
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Studio one 4 best DAW I have tried I have Cakewalk it is also pretty solid. And Reaper very flexible but for me way to many options to fiddle with. I like how simple yet powerful Stidio one is.
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I use Cakewalk's Sonar Platinum, or rather Cakewalk by Bandlab now.
I use it because it does what I need. There are lots of good DAWs out there but not all of them offer the power and flexibility that Cakewalk provides. For me there were two areas that separated Cakewalk from its competitors: having a musical notation capability and instrument definition files.
For all I know, the industry favorite, Pro Tools, may have these capabilities, but I simply can't afford it. Cakewalk by Bandlab is now free (Sonar Platinum was about $400) and that's a price I can afford.
I like Studio One, but if I want musical notation, I have to buy Notion and use it as a rewire device. And I dunno if it does instrument definitions or not.
I also like Reaper, but I haven't played around with it as much. It has a nice musical notation interface. But I don't know if it does instrument definitions. Its price is sure right, though, and Reaper has a very active community.
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Hi,
I have been using Cakewalk for many years. I like it. Several years ago I got Pro Tools and found it hard to use. I have it but don't use it. Sometimes other people who know how come over and use it.
When all the noise about Cakewalk started I went to Studio One 4. I like the program but I still have issues trying to figure out how to do some simple things, so I revert back to Cakewalk at times just to get things done.I have had Reaper for ever but never really used it much.
Of course I have the DAW in BB. It has a few cool things I use sometimes. Oh, and I forgot. I have OHM studio which is a online near real time DAW for playing with other musicians. When OHM started up it was fun because there were a large number of people to play with....now not so much.I bought a lifetime subscription when they first started.
The best DAW is the one you know how to use!!!
I think my vote would be for studio one if I can learn to use it.
Thanks,
Billy
EDIT: After I read my post I changed my mind. I don't think any DAW will be "the one". I will always have several and use each one for what it does best or is the least work to use.
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Either Cakewalk or Studio One provide seamless integration with BiaB, in my experience. Used Cakewalk since 5-1/4" disk days. Would still be there, but I bailed when they (temporarily) shut down. Studio One meets my critical needs (comping and Melodyne integration) so I'm sticking with that for now. But every time I go back to Cakewalk I miss it. Certainly one of the best freeware apps out there.
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I'm a convert to Acoustica Mixcraft (as opposed to Harrison Mixbus). To address the OP's point about workflow -- it lets me concentrate more on music creation and less on software than anything else I've used, for whatever that's worth. As of last winter, I'd gotten at least 300 hours project experience in each of these DAWs: Cakewalk/ Sonar/ Sonar Platinum (since the late 90s, maybe 2000 hours?) CoolEditPro/ Adobe Audition Acid Pro 7 Studio One v2 and v3 and maybe 20-50 hours each in MULab, Mixbus (great sound, but very picky about VSTs on my PC) and RB (I'll just echo what someone else said -- it's buggy, super laggy, and it's only real competitive attraction is RT capability.) (I’m not the person to ask about Reaper. I hear it is super-powerful, after around 2 hours trying to so some simple things, running into spider webs everywhere, I just exited the program for good. Do a Google image search for “The Scream” ;-) ) Even before Sonar's future was thrown into doubt, I went looking for something better. I'd been hankering to get away from Sonar Platinum anyway because, despite a lot of time within that product family, and despite its amazing spec list (on paper) a) I found some things just too clunky b) some crucial things -- like automation, reliable rendering, and midi routing -- just weren't happening; c) crashed and froze often on my system (a capable and custom-built-for audio Windows 7 64 Pro with tons of RAM, fast i7, good Focusrite interface etc.); d) the move to monthly updates caused chaos for me, as old workarounds no longer worked, and new ones became necessary due to new bugs; looking back on 2015-2016, I see I ended up writing some very long and painfully detailed forensic reports designed to help forum members / staff replicate my issues. During that time, some projects were 70% music-making, 30% head scratching. For folks who have had fewer problems with Sonar, I'm glad for you. I know everyone's system-specific mileage may vary; I'll just say that mine in this case was poor. Looking elsewhere, I'd wanted to love Studio One for its super-intuitive workflow, but on my setup it proved to be too crashy and stubborn about recognising midi keyboards which other DAWs had no problem with. Also it was weak in MIDI. I'd loved the old Acid Pro but it was only 32 bit. I've not tried Bandlab, because when Gibson filed for bankruptcy, I read this review of Mixcraft 8 in Sound on Sound magazine https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/acoustica-mixcraft-8so I downloaded the Acoustica Mixcraft 8 trial version, opened up their demo song and pressed play. After about 10 minutes of mousing around, clicking here, right-clicking there, I was able to figure out enough to get my own big, complex torture-test project going, with lots of heavy Kontakt instruments loaded, midi-generating VSTis routed all over, integrated Melodyne doing its thing, an Ableton-like clip launcher doing another thing, tons of needless FX and automation ;-) i.e. pure adolescent overkill, a giant racket, but loads of fun. It wouldn't crash. Only after about an hour did I have to google for a fast answer to something. Long story short, I spend 95% of my non-BIAB time in Mixcraft now. I still use Sonar for its better comping workflow, but export the results into Mixcraft. It has a few shortcomings as a DAW (and the bundled VSTis and FX are hit and miss; but I use 3rd party stuff anyway) but it is quite respectably deep and powerful. It was put together by the same guys who developed the original Acid for Sonic Foundry, with the same love-thy-user-by-making-things-dead-obvious ethos. I'd say that if Sonar Platinum's feature list was 10/10, Mixcraft's is around 8.8; that Mixcraft is as intuitive to use as Studio One; and it is the most stable DAW I've used on any of my machines, ever. 90% of the time when it hits a hiccough and freezes (which is not too often), it is temporary, and it recovers; it rarely crashes on me, and when it has, it's recovery system has always worked. It’s what I fire up when I want to get lots done and have fun. My long-winded $0.02!
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lingyai, thanks for that Acoustica link. I just d/l'd and installed the Mixcraft demo and I gotta say that it is a pretty cool DAW. I was disappointed to see that it didn't have any sort of built-in notation capability, but as I was digging around, I noticed it had picked up a couple of rewire programs, one of which is Notion, which I own a license for, and it set itself up automatically to load Notion as a rewire device. So that takes care of my needs for musical notation. This package definitely deserves a closer look. Best of all, it is surprisingly affordable, even the most expensive version.
I loaded one of my midi compositions, and it loaded up just fine, no hickups, and I was able to figure out how to select from a good variety of instruments, which in itself is noteworthy. Yep, I'm gonna have to spend some more time with this DAW. I suspect I'll continue to need Sonar for some things though.
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My first was Power Tracks and I still find it useful. Stuff I work up in BiaB and/or RB generally gets transferred there in seq. form. However, for heavier lifting I shall most likely continue to use Audition 3 as long as I have an operating system that supports it.
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Well, as many discovered, some times later in life (alas too late?); Cubase is one of the best allrounders around. Recording, editing, mastering, a fabulous and very flexible (with v 9.5 PRO and improved in v 10 PRO) audio and pitch shifting tool better than i saw from Waves or Melodyne.
All sorts of built in extras like for sounds and drum grooving, audio grooving, groove analyzing tools, superb notation, video import, quite a few excellent plugins for audio editing and some synths, not to forget Halion 3 with it's very decent GM set onboard ....
Has got a learning curve, but like PGmusic a very active user helpers forum ....
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PS, i still have my spare license for the full retail 10 PRO version for sale, $435, with eLicenser; insured USA shipping of latter is 26 dollars extra. PM me if interested? ....
Also for sale a license for 9.5.40 PRO full Retail. They say Cubase 9.5 is as good as bug free; never crashed on m system. 355$
NOTE they're both Retail and NOT the usually advertised EDUcational versions as from cheap sellers.
Reminder: Cubase 10 and 9.5 are 64bit ONLY. Steinberg has a 30 days TRIAL download version available. You'll need to register definitely with the eLicenser before that period ends. F
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I have to say that really most of them will work. I mentioned above what I use I didn’t mention why. To me I have noticed that sometime people migrate through a couple DAWs and have trouble and settle on one cause “it works” I believe that many times that is because the learn how things work along the way and work out issues their system have andnthe next DAW up benefits from that knowledge and experience. Another issue is what they want to do some things fit their needs.
When I started many years ago. I had an old cassette tape based 4 track unit from Clarion. And I needed to creat3d tracks to load I to it to play things like drums and such I didn’t play or have. I bought a floppy disk version of Cakewalk, and used it to make midi piano, drum and bass tracks to play guitar over.
Next I bought at the guitar center a early version of ACID when sonic foundry made it. Upgraded a time or two then got tired of Loop based tracks as they were ok but not totally real sounding to me and a butt load of work. I picked up Cakewalk music creator 2, then 3, then 5 then bought demoed and bought a program named N Track studios it was cool but buggy as heck. Along the way I bought BiaB I believe 2006 was my first and found it helpful to make basic tracks to mix else where. I also bought Powertracks but found it didn’t do anything Music creator could do. A forum member here many remember “Mac” suggested a program called Multitrackstudios I demoed and ended up buying it. I found it to be the most stable program ever rock solid you can’t make it crash. I used that to record several projects with friends. Somewhere along the way I also upgraded Cakewalk to Sonar for its “new comping feature. And did a project in it. I tried Reaper about that time and I found it to be super flexible and almost as stable as MTS. My only issue was I spent most of my time setting it up and fiddling with the program rather than recording stuff. Then I upgraded my MAudio sound card for a new Presonus AudioBox, and it came with studio one. I found that out of the box I got more done than any program since MTS. Along the way I kept upgrading BiaB and as well RB. At one point I used Arab exclusively but it began to drag and skip on my system on playback it would record fine. So rather than drop into RB I started dropping into studio one. About that time I got busy starting a new business, and eventually move across country and took a almost two year hiatus from music. Now I’m back and on my system I have the latest Reaper, Bandlab, and Studio one with 2019 BiaB. I am testing to see which will handle my work flow. So far Studio one it the easiest to use, and most intuitive.
I might reach back and buy the latest Multitrackstudios version cause nothing mixes down like it does. Just for grins. What it does that not other system does equally is that it tests audio and midi the same you drag to a track and it outputs through the same effect both types of tracks.
In the end it is really about what you get comfortable with and allows you to be productive. I am really hopeful for the new BiaB VSTi to pan out as it fits my needs well. One thing for sure find a DAW you like and learn it deeply. Don’t jump around like I did. While it might teach you a lot about many different ways to do things you only get surface knowledge. Figure out what you like to do and how. If your a midi beast, or a audio guy, or both. Do you play three or four instruments, or one or none. Colaborate with others. Record alone or with friends. All this plays into it.
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If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
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