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Just got my 2019 installed. Enjoying perusing the new RealTracks and styles.

My Reaper recognized the VST just fine.

But I get no sound when trying to play my song inside the VST. Don't know if that is how PGM intended it to be since PG says everyone is happy but this does not make me happy! When I drag it to Reaper then it plays fine.

I tried loading one of my existing songs and it loaded fine but took a long time to generate.

So I tried creating a small 4-bar song in BIAB and freezing the tracks so no generation would be needed. However, the VST apparently does not recognize frozen tracks insisting instead that it must generate them. Again, this does not make me happy.

I'll play around with it a little more but at this point it seems fairly useless since I can create my songs in BIAB faster with freeze working and then drag them to my Reaper.

What exactly does this VST bring to the party? Oh yeah, multiriffs which I have not tried yet. But I am not hopeful since it has already been reported here several times that they are very slow to generate.

So, back to my old workflow...

1) BIAB
2) Realband if I need multiriffs
3) Reaper

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Update: Now, whenever I try to load the BIAB VST it crashes Reaper. After several tries it did not crash but there was no VST loaded even though Reaper showed something was there. I reopened the FX window and now it appeared. If this was an airplane I'd take the train.

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Update: Tried multiriff but cannot figure it out. I choose All Riffs from the dropdown and then click Generate but nothing happens.

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Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
...I tried loading one of my existing songs and it loaded fine but took a long time to generate...

J3, approximately how long? Just trying to get a handle. Was this seconds, minutes?


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Update: Tried multiriff but cannot figure it out. I choose All Riffs from the dropdown and then click Generate but nothing happens.


Did you scroll down to the next page in the VST. The multiriff generates below the main page.


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Update: Tried multiriff but cannot figure it out. I choose All Riffs from the dropdown and then click Generate but nothing happens.


Did you scroll down to the next page in the VST. The multiriff generates below the main page.

There was nowhere to scroll to. Clicking Generate did nothing. When I selected any of the generate tracks options and clicked Generate it changed from Generate to Cancel while it was working. But when I selected multiriffs and then clicked Generate...nothing.

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...I tried loading one of my existing songs and it loaded fine but took a long time to generate...

J3, approximately how long? Just trying to get a handle. Was this seconds, minutes?

I just tried it again and it took 3:56 to generate a song with 69 bars, 1 chorus, 5 tracks. Same song inside BIAB will render 6 WAV files in 0:30!!!

The VST is 8 times slower than rendering it inside BIAB!

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Also, upon loading the VST in Reaper today and then loading a BIAB song I keep getting this...



I don't even understand the NONAME.SGU since the song I am loading has a name!

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Oh and about every other time, when I add the BIAB VST it never shows up in the VST/FX window at all. I have to quit Reaper, restart and try again.

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I'm impressed.
I just tried the plug in Sonar 8.5. It found the plug, I generated a song, and dragged the tracks to Sonar. All played perfectly.
Took about 1minute 30secs.


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Originally Posted By: silvertones
I'm impressed.
I just tried the plug in Sonar 8.5. It found the plug, I generated a song, and dragged the tracks to Sonar. All played perfectly.
Took about 1minute 30secs.

Lucky you! Try loading an existing BIAB song and I'd love to hear how that goes.

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I have tried it at least 50 times and it never has been recognized by reaper. If you figure it out, let me know please.

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I have tried it at least 50 times and it never has been recognized by reaper. If you figure it out, let me know please.


I had exactly the same problem. The last update solved the problem.


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Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
..But I get no sound when trying to play my song inside the VST. ..


In Reaper's options prefes audio
make sure it releases the audio driver when stopped
the tracks and demos are played with bbw4.exe through windows using windows media player.

There also VoiceMeeter Banana that give you multiple ASIO play back devices.

Did you try the VST3 in Reaper ?

At the moment it serves no purpose loading the BiabVST into a DAW as there is no audio or synced playback that's why I mention SaviHost

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Originally Posted By: silvertones
I'm impressed.
I just tried the plug in Sonar 8.5. It found the plug, I generated a song, and dragged the tracks to Sonar. All played perfectly.
Took about 1minute 30secs.


I too loaded the BBPlugin into Sonar 8.5, then clicked file > open > and selected an existing song, which took less than a minute to load. I then selected a realtrack and clicked generate... waited several minutes and finally cancelled the generation process... I then selected another RT, and repeated the generation process and again waited several minutes before canceling... I then selected multi-riffs (last RT selected) then I get the yellow box saying the first track I tried to generate just finished rendering after 31sec... I then dragged it to an empty track in Sonar and it played perfectly...


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@J3

I was finally able to get the VSTi to run in Reaper after the 606 update...

Run Reaper
Change from my RME ASIO driver to DirectSound driver (written for Windows 95 through Windows XP)
Load BIAB VSTi
Change audio driver back to ASIO
Change Buffer Size to 1024
Set Windows driver output to send to my RME interface (for playback of the DEMO and Generated Tracks within the plugin)
Choose a Style
Generate a Style, which takes about 30 sec.

SIMPLE, RIGHT?

I can then play the DEMO and the Generated tracks within the plugin.

(I keep seeing MME drivers being mentioned/selected on the forum - this is a red flag in my opinion)

The Reaper transport has no effect on the Plugin so as you stated elsewhere, the VSTi really is a Drag and Drop function.

That's as far as I have gotten so fae.





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@J3

I was finally able to get the VSTi to run in Reaper after the 606 update...

Run Reaper
Change from my RME ASIO driver to DirectSound driver (written for Windows 95 through Windows XP) within Reaper
Load BIAB VSTi
Change audio driver back to ASIO
Change Buffer Size to 1024
Set Windows driver output to send to my RME interface (for playback of the DEMO and Generated Tracks within the plugin)
Choose a Style
Generate a Style, which takes about 30 sec.

SIMPLE, RIGHT?

I can then play the DEMO and the Generated tracks within the plugin.

(I keep seeing MME drivers being mentioned/selected on the forum - this is a red flag in my opinion)

The Reaper transport has no effect on the Plugin so as you stated elsewhere, the VSTi really is a Drag and Drop function.

That's as far as I have gotten so fae.





Wow! Impressed you got it to work. But would you have to do all those steps every time you load the VST?

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Looks like it.

But this doesn't sync any existing Reaper tracks to the Generated tracks within the plugin - those would have to be drag/dropped onto a Reaper track.

Here is a screenshot if I don't go through the above steps - notice the plugin is missing its transport controls.

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I've been saying this for years. You already made your song in BIAB right?
Use the command to save all tracks to individual .wav files. Open the folder and drag each file to your DAW. No need to use the BIAB VSTi. I can do this much faster.


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Originally Posted By: silvertones
I've been saying this for years. You already made your song in BIAB right?
Use the command to save all tracks to individual .wav files. Open the folder and drag each file to your DAW. No need to use the BIAB VSTi. I can do this much faster.


That is what everyone does right now and it works but there is a lot of wasted time when you have to keep going back to BIAB and render the tracks again to drag and drop them into your DAW over and over any time you make a minor modification such as a chord change, tempo change, style change, or want to try a different real track ... est, not to mention you can't see the chord changes in the DAW which is a nice feature if you're adding licks as it's playing along. It would be nice to be able to make these change right within the DAW and just hit Play and watch the BIAB VST play along in sync like all other VSTs operate.

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