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Ok...

I open Reaper 64bit and add an instrument track with the Band in a Box VST plugin (tried both VSTi and VST3).
Add chords and pick a style and press generate.

The little blue bar only goes about a 1/4 inch then returns to the beginning and does not generate anything.

I've changed audio from my Presonus 192 to the WAS and that didn't help either.

I know the original plugin from the first release worked just fine but was limited in functionality which has been well documented on the forum.

I even tried the Stand alone version in the BBPlugin/Files folder which is an EXE file and do the above and get the same results.

In the BBPlugin/SavedTracks folder there is an output text file and shows this error:

Error=-14
BBHandle=593194
;Error #-14, WindowHandleForMessages is not defined
StyleTimeSig=4
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I have a high end Rizen 7, Radeon RX580 Video, Republic of Gaming 8350-F Motherboard, 16Gbs of ram and both "C" and "D" drive are SSD drives. I have my BB on the "D" drive.

Any ideas gang?!?!


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2019 is destined to be the year of these kinds of posts! The upside? We are seeing a ton of new forum users as they try to get BIAB VST to work and when it doesn't they come here! Hopefully they'll stay and PGM will fix the issues and the BIAB family will grow with some fresh blood!

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So far it’s a bust while the plugin did begin to generate the multiriffs it locked up Studio one 4 and I had to crash the program. I’m trying it in standalone mode


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Well so far both the VSTI3 and the standalone version do not work properly here.

Both allow me to generate from a style, then when I try multi riff it locks up and won’t finish the blue progress bar locks at about what looks like 90% then I get error messages. I am going to try tech support and see maybe it’s me but kinda doubt it.


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RobH, Marcus.
When I wake tomorrow morning I hope we don't have one other person reporting these negative results.

My Christmas wish is that you are the only two out of dozens and dozens (if not 1000s grin) of folks who are having these issues with V609. And that everyone else is busily working on creating new music with the Reaper-BBVSTi.

But don't worry, when this Christmas miracle occurs, PGM will be able to put all their attention to helping both of you.

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Tried it in Studio one 2,65, Studio one 4, Reaper, and as a standalone. No joy I get a message in all three DAWs “Range Check Error at: 00407C4A”

Trying to reinstall the update now to see if something went south

Hopeful but not expecting much.

Talked to Kent by live chat. He tried to help, but for him it works fine there. I am beginning to think that this is going to be a long journey to get the thing working properly.

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Same problem in Studio One 4 for me too. Error Message: Range Check Error. However this update at least allows me to do multi riffs sometimes. I wasn't able to generate multi riffs at all before this update.

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I just opened up a new file and it actually worked. Yet not as the video said I didn’t click all riffs I just click one of the riffs and clicked generate and it did them all. I just tried again and it started to generate without hitting the command

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I installed the latest release and I get the "Range check error at: 00407C4A." every time. But if I click OK and then click through the warning that it has crashed it seems to work. With that serious of a crash I wouldn't use it for anything but beta testing right now.

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JJJ doesn’t the blue progress bar freeze on your system?


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Originally Posted By: RobH
JJJ doesn’t the blue progress bar freeze on your system?

Ok, I just downloaded the latest build (even though it already was 609!) and now it will never complete the multiriff generation! The blue bar stops at about 4/5 of the way through and I get the error. If I try again, same result. Every time I try, same result. This is behaving worse than the last build. Now it is unusable.

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Daaaaaaamn this thing actually worked once more testing to follow.


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Faaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiil


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22 minutes and still says 4 sec to render


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Yes I get the out of range error as well. However if I make the song fairly short like 12 bars the multi riff seems to work. Another problem I experienced was I loaded one of the demo songs called Mmm River Gospel 12-8 with Vocal Mmms.SGU. This song has a multi RT with the vocal mmms and would not generate that track at all but generated the rest of them. So it looks like it will not generate a multi RT.


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So Brian I guess that means we should make a bunch of short jingles!

I got it to work one time then it stopped. I called PGM and was told that, and I quote “ it works here on our computers”, great maybe PGM can have someone swing by my house and let me use their computer when I want to create a new project, since mine won’t work three update patches in.

I have every confidence that it’s going to be fixed and will be working properly soon. Just it’s very frustrating to buy something that needs fixing. Kind of like recalls on your car.

Oh well maybe the next patch will get it right, or the next, or .............


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I was able to render short 12 bar song in ableton. render time was long but it worked. i was able to regenerate a single, separate track with no issue. multi riff caused range error but I was able to click through that and render completely although render time for 8 bars was over 12 minutes. ( Now i know why they skip ahead in video). tried to re gen one of the multis and it tried to do them all and crashed ableton completely causing need for full reboot of computer.

Maybe 610 will be the one?

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I'm giving up on the VST! The main BIAB generates and I can drag over just as fast if not faster than the plugin ever did. I'm waisting more time just trouble shooting rather than making music. In all fairness....my music isn't that great! wink

I've had BIAB for many years and have faith that they will sort this out. When you think that the various combinations of hardware and drivers in all the computers running this...there are bound to be issues.

G'nite and Merry Christmas to the BIAB forums clan! smile


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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
RobH, Marcus.
When I wake tomorrow morning I hope we don't have one other person reporting these negative results.

My Christmas wish is that you are the only two out of dozens and dozens (if not 1000s grin) of folks who are having these issues with V609.


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Well only 5? ... doesn't look like a total bust for V209 but not exactly the Christmas Miracle I was hoping for. tired


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I’m sure that us 5 are just the tip of the iceberg as most folks haven’t posted. Their just waiting to see. The fact that it is the exact same problem for each of us tells me that it is not user error but a reproducible bug. Now it might be a setup or configuration issue common to our computers. Only time will tell.

I would love to hear from folks that the plugin is working flawlessly for, and doing everything that it’s supposed to do.


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Robh, what version of Reaper are you running - don't think anyone has mentioned?
Are you disabling your antivirus or white listing the BIAB executable?

It may just be something simple in your configurations.

PGM needs to provide a diagnostic file which records errors which we can send to them to troubleshoot!


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Me Too .

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Great questions MS. I am using the latest Reaper, however I don’t really use reaper much just for testing to see if it is the same one two DAWs. I don’t know what “white listing” means. The only Antivirus I use is windows defender since I use my iPad to search the internet 95% of the time and only hit the internet on laptop to install or download stuff for music


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Me too was for the bb-vsti !


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I just made a small 24 bar song and had different instruments muted on certain bars and included shots on some bars and saved the file in BIAB. When I opened the song in the VST and generated and the muted parts played and the shots did not work at all. I guess none of that has been incorporated as of yet.

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Originally Posted By: Brian Hughes
When I opened the song in the VST and generated and the muted parts played and the shots did not work at all. I guess none of that has been incorporated as of yet.

Brian


Muted parts have never been saved in the BIAB file. And PGM has not as yet commented on weather or not shots and holds will be included in the BB-VSTi.


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When I opened the song in the VST and generated and the muted parts played and the shots did not work at all. I guess none of that has been incorporated as of yet.

Brian


Muted parts have never been saved in the BIAB file. And PGM has not as yet commented on weather or not shots and holds will be included in the BB-VSTi.


Ok perhaps in the future.

By the way which version of BIAB are you using? Mine saves mutes I just saved a song and loaded it back up and it was just like I saved it with the Mutes.

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My BiaB saves with mutes too.

So I did a detailed testing this morning of the VSTi plug. If I keep the number of bars at 12, and the multiriff bars at 4 to 6 max I get a render of around 1:30 I can add a second drum track below the melody and solo tracks, but it changes the name of the track to one of the tracks above but does generate a drum track.

If I go above around 18 bars or more than 6 bars of multiriff I get a slow down and a Range check error and I lose the yellow note banner.

I hope this has the techs to locate the problem.


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By the way which version of BIAB are you using? Mine saves mutes I just saved a song and loaded it back up and it was just like I saved it with the Mutes.


Say what?

I am still on 2018, but I just read somewhere in forum that this old issue continued. Heck, it is hard to keep up all the things going on. Thanks for the info. Maybe time for me to get off the fence.


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Greetings, new here wink

Just got BB to run the vst in Studio One 4.
The first version of the plugin seemed to work work OK, but the two upgrades have both been buggy.

I can still load a .sgu file into the vst (no option to load .mgx?), and generate the parts.
It takes about a minute per track to generate (16 bars).

But the only way I can then get the generated .waw into the DAW is to manually drag them from the location they were saved on the disk (c:\bb\BBPlugin\SavedTracks\) The drag-and-drop as demonstrated in PG's demos don't work.

Entering cords manually in the vst, then generating does not work. The computer will freeze up for several minutes.

Still, this plugin could be a lot of fun, so I am crossing my fingers for a fix!

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By the way which version of BIAB are you using? Mine saves mutes I just saved a song and loaded it back up and it was just like I saved it with the Mutes.


Say what?

I am still on 2018, but I just read somewhere in forum that this old issue continued. Heck, it is hard to keep up all the things going on. Thanks for the info. Maybe time for me to get off the fence.


See if you can follow this convoluted message.

below is a tread going on right now with two of the top forum gurus who also acknowledge that BIAB does not save muted tracks. How can everyone be so confused on this?

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=511728#Post511728


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By the way which version of BIAB are you using? Mine saves mutes I just saved a song and loaded it back up and it was just like I saved it with the Mutes.


Say what?

I am still on 2018, but I just read somewhere in forum that this old issue continued. Heck, it is hard to keep up all the things going on. Thanks for the info. Maybe time for me to get off the fence.


See if you can follow this convoluted message.

below is a tread going on right now with two of the top forum gurus who also acknowledge that BIAB does not save muted tracks. How can everyone be so confused on this?

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=511728#Post511728


I now see what the confusion is. I am adding mutes at the bar level not the mixer level. This would explain what is going on. It does save mutes at the bar level just not the mixer setting.
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Am I misunderstanding this? I have many BIAB songs where I have muted the melody in the mixer so I can play the melody myself. If I save the song with the melody muted, when I open the song again, the melody is still muted.

I'm I misunderstanding the issue here or do I have a freak, albeit very welcome, "feature"?

Maybe this is because I'm using BIAB 2018 and not the new version or the VSTI plugin.

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Will the Plugin ever have Mute, Solo and Volume on each track / Master?

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Will the Plugin ever have Mute, Solo and Volume on each track / Master?


FWIW, I just installed BIAB 2019 last night and stated playing with the VST3 plug in today. For giggles I ran 3 instances of the plug in with different styles and 5 real instruments each. Ran just fine. Sound was terrible with different styles, but I just wanted to see if it would work. Each track in Studio One 4 has it's own Mute, Solo, and Fader for all 15 rendered audio tracks and the shot, rests and holds work fine.

Need to putts some more but "having fun"

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BiaB doesn't save the mute status of tracks - it has been that way for the last 30 years.

One day you may practise all your songs with the melody muted, and the next day you might want them with the melody playing.

If you want to silence a part for a song, you can disable it (track settings - disable), or turn its volume to zero.


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>Need to putts some more but "having fun"

Thanks for the report WallyG.


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>And PGM has not as yet commented on weather or not shots and holds will be included in the BB-VSTi.

Currently the only thing not implemented is the plugin loading shots from previously saved BB songs. That will be implemented.

Already implemented is everything else about rests, shots, holds,
- you can type them in and it saves with your DAW project
- if you save as a BB file the shots are saved in it
- the shots etc. generate with the arrangements


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Just wanted to say a big thank you to the hard working gang at PG Music. Currently, 611 is working using the latest 64bit Reaper and the VST3. Rendered the main style and did a 16 bar multi riff. All worked great!

Cheers....job well done......forgot to mention...rendering speed is much, much faster! smile


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These PAKs are loaded with additional add-ons to supercharge your Band-in-a-Box®!

This Free Bonus PAK includes:

  • The 2026 RealCombos Booster PAK: -For Pro customers, this includes 27 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For MegaPAK customers, this includes 25 new RealTracks and 23 new RealStyles. -For UltraPAK customers, this includes 12 new RealStyles.
  • MIDI Styles Set 92: Look Ma! More MIDI 15: Latin Jazz
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 46: Piano & Organ
  • Instrumental Studies Set 24: Groovin' Blues Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 19: Songs with Vocals 9
  • Playable RealTracks Set 5
  • RealDrums Stems Set 9: Cool Brushes
  • SynthMaster Sounds Set 1 (with audio demos)
  • iOS Android Band-in-a-Box® App
Looking for more great add-ons, then upgrade to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49 and you'll get:
  • 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums with 20 RealStyle.
  • FLAC Files (lossless audio files) for the 20 Bonus Unreleased RealTracks and RealDrums
  • MIDI Styles Set 93: Look Ma! More MIDI 16: SynthMaster
  • MIDI SuperTracks Set 47: More SynthMaster
  • Instrumental Studies 25 - Soul Jazz Guitar Soloing
  • Artist Performance Set 20: Songs with Vocals 10
  • RealDrums Stems Set 10: Groovin' Sticks
  • SynthMaster Sounds & Styles Set 2 (sounds & styles with audio demos)

Learn more about the Bonus PAK and 49-PAK for Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac®!

XPro & Xtra Styles PAK Sets On Sale Now - Until May 15, 2026!

All of our XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAKs are on sale until May 15th, 2026!

It's the perfect time to expand your Band-in-a-Box® style library with XPro and Xtra Styles PAKs. These additional styles for Band-in-a-Box® offer a wide range of genres designed to fit seamlessly into your projects. Each style is professionally arranged and mixed, helping enhance your songs while saving you time.

What are XPro Styles and Xtra Styles PAKs?

XPro Styles PAKs are styles that work with any version (Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition) of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). XPro Styles PAKS 1-10 includes 1,000 styles!

Xtra Styles PAKs are styles that work with the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box® 2025 (or higher). Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 includes 3,700 styles (and 35 MIDI styles)!

The XPro & Xtra Styles PAKs are not included in any Band-in-a-Box® package.

The XPro Styles PAKs 1-10 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

The Xtra Styles PAKs 1-21 are available for only $29 ea (reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the Xtra Styles PAK Bundle for only $199 (reg. $349)! Listen to demos and order now! For Mac or for Windows.

Note: XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.

The Xtra Styles require the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition of Band-in-a-Box®. (Xtra Styles PAK 19 requires the 2025 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition. They will not work with the Pro or MegaPAK version as they require the RealTracks included in the UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Supercharge your Band-in-a-Box today with XPro Styles PAKs and Xtra Styles PAK Sets!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac Videos

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac, we’re rolling out a collection of brand-new videos on our YouTube channel. We’ll keep this forum post updated so you can easily find all the latest videos in one convenient spot.

Whether you're exploring new features, checking out the latest RealTracks or Style PAKs, this is your go-to guide for Band-in-a-Box® 2026.

Check out this forum post for "One Stop Shopping" of our Band-in-a-Box® 2026 Mac Videos!

Band-in-a-Box 2026 for Mac is Here!

Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac is here and it is packed with major new features! There’s a new modern look, a GUI redesign to all areas of the program including toolbars, windows, workflow and more. There’s a Multi-view layout for organizing multiple windows. A standout addition is the powerful AI-Notes feature, which uses AI neural-net technology to transcribe polyphonic audio into MIDI—entire mixes or individual instruments—making it easy to study, view, and play parts from any song. And that’s just the beginning—there are over 100 new features in this exciting release.

Along with version 2026, we've released an incredible lineup of new content! There's 202 new RealTracks, brand-new RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, “Songs with Vocals” Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 5, two new RealDrums Stems sets, XPro Styles PAK 10, Xtra Styles PAK 21, and much more!

Special Offers
Upgrade to Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac and save up to 50% on most upgrade packages during our special offer—available until May 15, 2026. Visit our Band-in-a-Box® packages page to explore all available upgrade options.

2026 Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK Add-ons
Our Free Bonus PAK and 49-PAK are loaded with amazing add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is included with most Band-in-a-Box® 2026 for Mac packages, but you can unlock even more—including 20 unreleased RealTracks—by upgrading to the 2026 49-PAK for just $49.

Holiday Weekend Hours

As we hop into the Easter weekend, here are our holiday hours:

April 3 (Good Friday): 8:00 AM – 4:00 PM PDT
April 4 (Saturday): Closed
April 5 (Easter Sunday): Closed
April 6 (Easter Monday): Open regular hours

Wishing you an egg-cellent weekend!

— Team PG

Update to Build 10 of RealBand® 2026 for Windows®!

If you're already using RealBand 2026 for Windows, download build 10 to get all the latest additions and enhancements.

Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® users: Build 904 now available!

If you're already using Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®, make sure to grab the latest update! Build 904 is now available for download and includes the newest additions and enhancements from our team.

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