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Here is the Question.
How many of you trying to use the BIAB VSTi plugin have never used BIAB before?
Choose a number:
1. I bought BIAB 2019 strictly for the VSTi and have never used BIAB and am having troubles
2. I bought BIAB 2019 and I am an experienced user and am having troubles with the VSTi.
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Nope. I am learning banjo, bass guitar and 6 string guitar. I use both BIAB and RB for backing tracks.
Neither one complains about my timing issues and will play as slow as I like.
...Deb
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Just wondering what is the purpose of this survey Silvertones?
Are you suggesting that its only user error that is to blame with the VSti that may be mainly affecting new users only?
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Not totally. I think some user error may be involved.Trying to sort that out a little.
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Not totally. I think some user error may be involved.Trying to sort that out a little. Here we go with the user error stuff again. while there may be some minor user errorthe bottom line is the VST does not work or should I say did not work. It is getting better but still buggy. I assure you, like I said an earlier post, if the veteransif this community continue to say user error on everything that has been pointed out you will run away all the new people who are very important to the growth of the community. The VST will be a major growth component for PG music. I believe they will have thousands of new users because of the strength of RealTracks.
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I don't think there are (still) a lot of people who bought 2019 mainly for the VSTi and never used BIAB previously.
The VSTi is a great idea, with a lot of potential, but in my opinion still need some work. For example, the ability of playing in sync with the host, following tempo changes, key signature changes etc. These features are standard in any VSTi I know, and people used to use modern DAWS expect that (and also a more modern GUI, btw) from any contemporary virtual instrument.
I'm pretty sure these features will eventually be added, and then BIAB VSTi will attract a lot of people, because despite is limitations, BIAB is really an incredibly powerful tool for any music producer.
PS: I've had many problems with previous versions of the VSTi, but with the last update is working OK on my system (I'm a Reaper user)
BIAB 2024, latest build.
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I never accused but think what you want. I'll not reply to this thread. Just ignore it.
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I never accused but think what you want. I'll not reply to this thread. Just ignore it. Well, that's not healthy either. I was not trying to direct any criticism your way or accuse you. When the initial release came out, with many bugs, many longtime forum contributors immediately said user error on what seemed like every post that brought up an issue. I was not the only one to notice. Some of the veterans, such as yourself, are a wealth of knowledge so it's certainly not good for you not to respond. Just like it's not healthy for new members to not feel comfortable to ask questions because immediately the issue will be user error when it may not be !
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3. I find BIAB 2019 VST is new and has a lot of bugs and issue that are being sorted out, I'm having problems with it but I will hang in there due to it's enormous potential.
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Here is the Question.
How many of you trying to use the BIAB VSTi plugin have never used BIAB before?
Choose a number:
1. I bought BIAB 2019 strictly for the VSTi and have never used BIAB and am having troubles
2. I bought BIAB 2019 and I am an experienced user and am having troubles with the VSTi. How about 2a - I bought BIAB 2019 and I am an experienced user and I couldnt care less about the VSTi. I really feel that these days, BIAB is getting away for the main reason it was created and too "techy" by far. BUT - I still love it. It lets me do things that would be impossible musically otherwise. Cheers ian
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I don't work with BB & RB in this manner.
So, it's not an issue for me.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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I would of upgraded anyway because BIAB has something for everyone and I love getting the new RT's. I have owned BIAB since I was working as a Atari ST tech back in the day. I was most surprised by the announcement of the VST and I actually like the idea. The plugin certainly did not work when it was released but it is now functioning with a few shortcomings. I am confident PGM will work this all out and it will get better as we go along. I have always generated multi riffs in RB and whole songs in BIAB. Most of my work is done in Studio One Pro.
As far as it is the User fault and not the plugin, I really would not agree with that. Sure there may be some instance of them not following along with the correct steps in the video's or some particular setting in their DAW. Just by all the updated patches and corrections tells you otherwise. That's my two cents!
Brian
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Here is the Question.
How many of you trying to use the BIAB VSTi plugin have never used BIAB before?
Choose a number:
1. I bought BIAB 2019 strictly for the VSTi and have never used BIAB and am having troubles
2. I bought BIAB 2019 and I am an experienced user and am having troubles with the VSTi. How about 2a - I bought BIAB 2019 and I am an experienced user and I couldnt care less about the VSTi. I really feel that these days, BIAB is getting away for the main reason it was created and too "techy" by far. BUT - I still love it. It lets me do things that would be impossible musically otherwise. Cheers ian Yep, I’m with 2a. I’ve only plugged the VSTi in to see what it might give me. Other than the hope of generating multi riffs I really cannot see myself making a great deal of use for the VSTi. Note: this is just my way of working. But, I do believe the only constant is change. Tony
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I am an experienced user of BIAB. The vst was interesting to me not for the dragging of tracks, which can be done easier and faster through export and import, but for the sync to the chart. My expectations were high in that I was expecting full function in the VST. So far, it is a total mess. Seems like the development staff would have done far better with using REWIRE instead.
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I don't know where this VST user error idea is coming from. I think a few are being too sensitive or something. At least 90% of reports concerning VST problems have been correct with few comments about user error.
As a long time user I could tell immediately the VST release was rushed and not ready for prime time and said so many times. I have not even looked at it yet and won't until I start reading about how awesome it is. I simply did not have the spare time over the holidays to dive into this particular pool.
The good news is progress is being made, it will get there. Meanwhile I'm really liking the new RT's and enhancements.
Bob
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Long answer: I had (and still have) hopes for VST, but it was not a decision maker. I upgraded to get new RT's, but mainly for 64bit version, to show my support, as I see this as a huge step in the right direction. For me, VST is still very young and underdeveloped and I expected it to have issues  I was reading a post from P.G. a few days ago. It seems he/they do have bigger plans for it. To be fully useful for me, it has to be: Stable, Respond to ALLbar changes, holds etc. from SGUs created in BIAB, intuitive and fast (has to be faster than now). I hope (and believe) we will get there. Hopefully within reasonable time. Short answer: No, I did not buy BIAB 2019 strictly for the VSTi
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Yes I guess I did. I used to be a big RB guy but it seems the performance is not great at least for me. I do still see very strong capabilities in RB. But the work flow is not as smooth as my fav DAW.
So VSTi would be a great tool for using my main DAW
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Well I guess the thread did put some things into perspective.
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I have BIAB 2017 and upgraded to 2019 for the VST.
I do not believe it is correctly said "user error", because there is no clear instructions on how it should be setup (BIAB, Realband, PC sound settings and DAW settings). Only this forum has given this information trying to help users. Based on what I have tested and knowing that I have done a custom install of 2017 and the 2019 install matched that, I have uninstalled BIAB completely and will reinstall using the defaults. Then will try again with the VST.
Will let you all know what happens.
Robert
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I am 2-b I run BIAB since version 4 on ATARI. To me the plugin is a great improving and, just as it is now, it gets me doing thing I never thought about
Sergino
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