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In earlier versions, one could sort items in the list by clicking on the appropriate column heading. No longer does column sort work.

In earlier versions, one could quickly navigate to a song title by entering the starting letter for that song. This no longer works, and requires manual navigation. There is no way to quickly navigate to a song title.

Additionally, the song appear to be sorted by default in folder/sub-folder order and not alphabetically.

Please re-introduce the original important functionality.


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Also.....

There is no longer a way to select a song to "play when chosen"

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Yep....I posted this problem yesterday after loading up 2019.
Will ask for a refund if this is not fixed

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+1 in support of the requests made by VideoTrack and Tony Wright to return to earlier StylePicker version behavior:

A) Sort by clicking on the appropriate column heading

B) Quickly navigate to a song title by entering the starting letter for the first word in the song title

C) Sort by song title, not folder / sub folder hierarchy

D) Reinstate the checkbox option that permits "play when chosen" when the checkbox is checked. Hopefully the default will be enabled.


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+1 More flexibility the better.


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+1 for the lost features !


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+1 here.
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Have you mentioned this directly to the Support Group?
Not sure how closely they monitor Wishlists at this busy time of year.

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Good point, Lloyd, will do.


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Also, see this post.
When using the Song Picker, the cursor should stay in its last position and not reset itself to the beginning of the song listings.


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And, when scrolling through the real tracks picker, as I often do, an earlier BIAB version allowed you to tap on a letter, such as “P” to get to pianos (or pedal steel) and it jumped immediately. That feature disappeared several versions back. You have to start with “accordion” and scroll down manually. Unless I’m doing something wrong.

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Just another thought :

Why did they remove from the songpicker some features that were well working ?

It would be useful for the users to get PGM people to comment this post.
It is not the first time that we don't understand some choices made by PGM in this program.


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Dang it, PGM, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Also -- I don't recall offhand, but did the Song Picker used to stay at the last song you picked, or has it always reset itself to the beginning each time you went back to browse? I though it stayed where I left it, but I can't say for sure. It definitely doesn't now. There's a way to get the Style Picker to stay put. Seems like the Song Picker should have this same feature. Or requirement.

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I don't recall offhand, but did the Song Picker used to stay at the last song you picked, or has it always reset itself to the beginning each time you went back to browse? I though it stayed where I left it, but I can't say for sure.

Previously during your current BiaB session it stayed on the last song selected.


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The new Dec 7 update does not appear to address these issues

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Come one PG Music.

You hear the voices of the very people that have made your company successful beyond your wildest dreams and bring this feature back.

I have yet to hear 1 single person who likes the removal of these needed features we have come to love over the past years.

Did anyone in your 2019 planning meetings voice the opinion that the thousands of users will love it if we take these features out without asking their opinion?

Bring these 5 features back please.

A) Sort by clicking on the appropriate column heading

B) Quickly navigate to a song title by entering the starting letter for the first word in the song title

C) Sort by song title, not folder / sub folder hierarchy

D) Reinstate the checkbox option that permits "play when chosen" when the checkbox is checked. Hopefully the default will be enabled.

E) Bring back the Last Used Directory feature so we don't have to keep clicking our mice to get to where we really want to be.

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I got an email from support saying the 611 build fixed these issues. It fixed a couple...the song picker will now load to the current song and any song will play when doubled clicked. However, you still can't select the first letter of the next song and have the list jump to the songs that begin with that letter.I have sent another email pointing this out.

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Yes, yes, and yes. Also, support for a large number of songs is still not fixed. It is supposed to support up to 50,000 songs. My folder with 40,000 gets processed, but it only displays a subset (I can tell because it stops at the letter "L". You bump up against an arbitrary file size limit (at least that's what the error message seems to indicate).


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Some sorts need at least twice the size of the records being sorted, for the sort to work. Think of a Move as a Copy followed by Delete. Granted, these are inefficient algorithms, but it might be what's happening here. It would seem the limit should just be increased and then we'll know.


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I want the old whatever picker back, and mine's bigger smirk :

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Originally Posted By: LBL
I got an email from support saying the 611 build fixed these issues. It fixed a couple...the song picker will now load to the current song and any song will play when doubled clicked. However, you still can't select the first letter of the next song and have the list jump to the songs that begin with that letter.I have sent another email pointing this out.


They also still need to bring the ability back to start up BIAB in the last used directory instead of the Home folder. I, like many other BIAB users, have many home folders, not just one.

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+1 to all of this. Can't believe that PG threw one of the best song features out with the trash. Can't sort by title, tempo, key, date, style...you have got to be kidding me! Don't understand the rationale for this at all.

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+1 to all of this. Can't believe that PG threw one of the best song features out with the trash. Can't sort by title, tempo, key, date, style...you have got to be kidding me! Don't understand the rationale for this at all.

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Jeff: I would love to hear PG Musics rational on this decision. It obviously was discussed at some pre-planning meetings for the 2019 upgrade.


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Was any of this picked up in beta testing? It seems so fundamental but no one noticed it; I just don't see that happening


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We are the beta testers ....

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No, No. The other, pre-release folk. Somehow this problem was not found, or PGM didn't fix it


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Originally Posted By: Dave
No, No. The other, pre-release folk. Somehow this problem was not found, or PGM didn't fix it

I think - but have absolutely no proof - that there was much excitement from PG Music about introducing new features in the new Song Picker (preview of chords, setting the home folder etc) that other established functionality was overlooked.

A ridiculously short time-frame was all that was allotted for pre-release testing. Regardless, you can be assured that the song picker issues were found and reported.


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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
you can be assured that the song picker issues were found and reported.

But has there been any acknowledgement from PGM that this is a problem and that it will be fixed?

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But has there been any acknowledgement from PGM that this is a problem and that it will be fixed?

All I do know is the answer to the above is yes and yes. No mention of when though. I did think this would be sorted out by now.


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Thanks VT

PGM often seem to hurry to bring new features to market at the expense of ensuring that they 1)really work, and 2) don't affect an existing feature. This is not the first time it has happened, and for sure it will not be the last.


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PGM often seem to hurry to bring new features to market at the expense of ensuring that they 1)really work, and 2) don't affect an existing feature. This is not the first time it has happened, and for sure it will not be the last.


They are not alone. There is an uproar over on the Kontakt site because Kontakt 6 eliminated the all important database. So if you want an oboe sound for example you have to remember where it was located. Many of us have a lot of Kontakt and third part patches so that database was important.


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Thanks VT

PGM often seem to hurry to bring new features to market at the expense of ensuring that they 1)really work, and 2) don't affect an existing feature. This is not the first time it has happened, and for sure it will not be the last.


They are not alone. There is an uproar over on the Kontakt site because Kontakt 6 eliminated the all important database. So if you want an oboe sound for example you have to remember where it was located. Many of us have a lot of Kontakt and third part patches so that database was important.

To be fair, I have used Kontakt (and tons of other music software products) and have never seen an upgrade that had broken features anything like the BIAB VST.

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Thanks VT

PGM often seem to hurry to bring new features to market at the expense of ensuring that they 1)really work, and 2) don't affect an existing feature. This is not the first time it has happened, and for sure it will not be the last.


They are not alone. There is an uproar over on the Kontakt site because Kontakt 6 eliminated the all important database. So if you want an oboe sound for example you have to remember where it was located. Many of us have a lot of Kontakt and third part patches so that database was important.

To be fair, I have used Kontakt (and tons of other music software products) and have never seen an upgrade that had broken features anything like the BIAB VST.

A quote for quote's sake, and that's not some Japanese rice drink: this doggone VST seems more useful to me, if it works and i wouldn't have to set my Cooking Alarm for 10 minutes each and every time i throw it in the ring, than the VideoTracking business from last year ever was. So let PG face it's own music; who knows they'll come up with a great tool after all ... but i'm fed up testing it, i'll wait 'till there's a green light ... And we need more fixes than only the VST BTW.

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May I quote you on that?


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Thanks VT

PGM often seem to hurry to bring new features to market at the expense of ensuring that they 1)really work, and 2) don't affect an existing feature. This is not the first time it has happened, and for sure it will not be the last.


They are not alone. There is an uproar over on the Kontakt site because Kontakt 6 eliminated the all important database. So if you want an oboe sound for example you have to remember where it was located. Many of us have a lot of Kontakt and third part patches so that database was important.

To be fair, I have used Kontakt (and tons of other music software products) and have never seen an upgrade that had broken features anything like the BIAB VST.


I totally agree. I just wanted to report that PGMusic's site isn't the only one in an update uproar!


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Ahem... So the bug fixers don't get lost on what's required, let's go back to the task at hand, please smile

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+1 for the lost features !

I was astonished missing out on old, useful features in the song picker after having skipped a few versions of Biab.
Really annoying.....

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I have just installed 2019-613 and realized what a mess PGMusic has made with the song picker. There has been a lot of discussion here about the feature, but I didn't really understand what the issues really were or how bad the problem was.

For me, it starts immediately with the notion of a "Home Folder". I don't have all my songs in one single folder, let alone one in c/BB. My songs are well organized in several folders and exist on a jump drive. Each folder has it's own song list, and was shown in previous version of BIAB whenever I opened that folder. Now it's almost impossible to get to a specific folder and songlist. And then you can't sort the list - and I can't even figure out what the default order is.

As has been said many times in this thread - give us back the 2018 version until the 2019 works properly. I don't have any need for these fancy filters, at least none that I can see right now, so let's get a WORKING version of the song picker back in the hands of the users.

The beta testers could never have missed such a glaring error. This problem lies squarely with PGMusic.


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Sigh.... another update and still no fix for the song picker. Will once again have to reinstall 2018 before my show tonight.

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I am still struggling with songpicker for 2019. I can work around the issue of needing all my songs in one folder by creating a dummy folder which contains all my other song folders, and I can filter the folder of songs I want by my naming convention, but I can't figure out the sequence that the songs are listed in. It doesn't appear to be alpha by song name or file name, it's not date nor style. I don't even know if it's different if I close and reopen the songpicker. I do know that "Next Song" and Previous Song" short cuts work exactly as the did in 2018. But they are no use with the new songpicker.

So frustrating... It needs to be fixed


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I agree, the old one was far better ....

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Bump!
Seems this important request is overlooked?


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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
In earlier versions, one could sort items in the list by clicking on the appropriate column heading. No longer does column sort work.

In earlier versions, one could quickly navigate to a song title by entering the starting letter for that song. This no longer works, and requires manual navigation. There is no way to quickly navigate to a song title.

Additionally, the song appear to be sorted by default in folder/sub-folder order and not alphabetically.

Please re-introduce the original important functionality.


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Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Happy Easter! Holiday Hours...

2024 is well underway - it's already Easter Weekend!

Our Customer Service hours this weekend are:

Friday, March 29: 8-4
Saturday, March 30: 8-4
Sunday, March 31: closed

Regular hours resume Monday, April 1st - no joke!

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Video: Volume Automation in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created a video to help you learn more about the Volume Automation options in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows.

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Volume Automation

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#volume-automation

Video: Audio Input Monitoring with Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created this short video to explain Audio Input Monitoring within Band-in-a-Box® 2024, and included some tips & troubleshooting details too!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Audio Input Monitoring

3:17: Tips
5:10: Troubleshooting

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#audio-input-monitoring

Video: Enhanced Melodists in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®!

We've enhanced the Melodists feature included in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows!

Access the Melodist feature by pressing F7 in the program to open the new MultiPicker Library and locate the [Melodist] tab.

You can now generate a melody on any track in the program - very handy! Plus, you select how much of the melody you want generated - specify a range, or apply it to the whole track.

See the Melodist in action with our video, Band-in-a-Box® 2024: The Melodist Window.

Learn even more about the enhancements to the Melodist feature in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024upgrade/chapter3.htm#enhanced-melodist

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