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I had this problem in my last pc and now the same problem is ongoing in this one. I kept NONE of the hardware from my old PM apart from my Behringer U-PHORIA UMC204HD Audio Interface. I know this isn't the issue as I've tried biab using the pcs own sound chip. I wonder would a graphics card help ? After about ten minutes or so the sound starts stuttering and gets really distorting. Seems worse using RT. Here's my equipment details
NOVATECH LTD PC-X003024 V1.0 ( bought just over 2 years ago )
Windows 10 Home (x64) Version 1803 (build 17134.523)
3.30 gigahertz Intel Core i5-6600
256 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
6144 kilobyte tertiary memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (4 total)
2127.18 Gigabytes Usable Hard Drive Capacity
1474.13 Gigabytes Hard Drive Free Space
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-224FB [Optical drive]
SanDisk SD8SBAT128G1122 (128.04 GB) -- drive 0, s/n 152755401914, rev Z2201000, SMART Status: Healthy
Seagate M3 Portable SCSI Disk Device (1000.20 GB) -- drive 2, s/n 18707E0307000077
ST1000DM003-1SB10C [Hard drive] (1000.20 GB) -- drive 1, s/n Z9A0M4Z9, rev CC43, SMART Status: Healthy
16272 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory
Slot 'DIMM_A1' has 8192 MB
Slot 'DIMM_B1' has 8192 MB
c: (NTFS on drive 0) * 126.77 GB 37.51 GB free
d: (NTFS on drive 1) 1000.20 GB 578.04 GB free
i: (NTFS on drive 2) 1000.20 GB 858.59 GB free
Drive D is where I keep all my music related programmes. I use reason 10 without any problems, sound forge 11 and also cool edit. Only seems to be biab that there's ever been any issues with which makes me think I need some software tweaks but I'm at a loss to know what to tweak.
Any help in solving this totally bamboozling would be much appreciated
By the way, I suppose I could take a sample of a recording but I'd have to find a way of doing it first
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Graham, what else are you running concurrently on the PC. There has been heaps of stuff on various forums of things to turn off in Win 10. Most of the lovely rubbish one rarely uses e.g. Live Weather reports, News or various games (and their auto updates) Facebook and Messenger, Skype, a lot of stuff that sits in the startup screen. Also check what the system is loading up at power on. (Run MSCFG and check startup and get shy of stuff you don’t need at startup e.g. Adobe updates, Apple update things and the like, you can still start the programs if and when you want to). Maybe look at indexing services on the PC, if you are doing music and the PC decides now is a good time to sort the discs issues will occur. In some circumstances the PC might not see the playing of music as activity and slow down the process (a PC can go to sleep when playing music (it does not see it as activity) and not just because it is relaxed listening to your songs)
Only today I was showing a young fellow some stuff in Sonar. It ran like a hairy goat. Oh well, I thought. Then a few minutes later up pops a message “your printer update was successful”. There was one I missed.
I noticed stuttering on the olde laptop I use for gigs. I looked and saw the disc drive was going flat chat (very busy). I stopped Norton Security whilst playing I also stopped the wireless networking after all I did not need either whilst playing a gig.
Also on my main PC at home I deleted the onboard sound card (I use a Roland Quad Capture as an external card) having both the onboard and external sound cards running presented issues.
There is heaps of stuff on the WEB regarding what appears to be a general failing of Win10 and particularly version 1803 when it comes to audio.
I think 1803 was the release year for this version of Win10 judging by the way it does things. One day soon MS might get to version 20xx and have a system that actually works with non MS equipment (or even with MS equipment.)
Just some thoughts, there are so many things to consider.
Tony
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Hi Tony,
nothing else is running when I use biab. I close ALL browsers and check what processes are running. I don't use skype nor messenger, nor do I play games, so as I said I'm pretty sure it's just some sound related software needing an expert tweak
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Graham, dear Scot friend,
The current Windows 10 build from M$ is 1809. For some strange reason, auto update didn't work on my computer either. The problem manifests by the inability to drag items to the taskbar. M$ is aware of the problem and a fix will be available in the next update.
This COULD be your problem as well.
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Hi Tony,
nothing else is running when I use biab. I close ALL browsers and check what processes are running. I don't use skype nor messenger, nor do I play games, so as I said I'm pretty sure it's just some sound related software needing an expert tweak In addition to what you do I also disable my Ethernet card via the device manager. That stop everything from see the Internet. I occasionally have the same problem as you. In my case it is because I have my audio interface buffers set to low for playback. In other words I use a very low buffer setting for recording but in a few cases I have to increase it so my playback is not stuttering and/or distorting. The higher number of tracks, both MIDI and audio, the higher the chance of the problem. YMMV.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Ahh Mario, so higher audio buffers increases stability ?
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Been playing around trying to get it to stutter for me so's I can let you guys hear it. So far of course it's behaved
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Graham, dear Scot friend,
The current Windows 10 build from M$ is 1809. For some strange reason, auto update didn't work on my computer either. The problem manifests by the inability to drag items to the taskbar. M$ is aware of the problem and a fix will be available in the next update.
This COULD be your problem as well. Thanks Don, pretty sure this ain't windows as it did the same on my old pc
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Increasing buffers increases stability at the cost of speed. The speed issue is only an issue if you are playing an instrument via the device. However, if you are only using the device for play back that is not an issue.
For example, I use my guitar via the PC. The way my PC audio is set up audio has a round trip (into the soundcard through the PC and out) of about 10m/sec. 10m/sec is barely noticeable. If I doubled the buffers there will be more stability but it will increase the round time to 20m/sec which is noticeable. It can be difficult to play with a noticeable delay.
The delay is not an issue if only playing back.
With what I said about games and other useless programs that could be running. These can be running without your knowledge. They can be installed and set up to run automatically with Win10 updates. A lot of folk I deal with have all these nice icons updating and are totally unaware they are there and blissfully unaware they do use cpu and internet traffic.
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Graham, By the way, awesome computer specifications; I'm sooo jealous! You mentioned the computer is about two years old. I also noticed your computer has a Seagate M3 Portable SCSI Disk Device as drive 2. Does your motherboard have a SCSI interface built-in or is the drive interface part of a plug-in, add on card? Have you checked with +++ Novatech Technical Support +++ or the motherboard website or plug-in card manufacturer website to make sure all the hardware drivers you need are up to date?
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Hi Jim, all drivers are up to date. I phoned novatech ages ago and they confirfmed it WAS a software issue, but not knowing this programme couldn't suggest a fix
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Graham, two things come to mind:
First, yes, increase the playback buffer size for all the reasons clearly given above. Lower it for recording to reduce latency, and raise it for playback because it doesn't affect anything (unless you play along with a connected instrument / keyboard).
Two, the "ten minutes in" comment makes me wonder if you could possibly have an unregistered plugin playing havoc. I know you said you have no other programs running, but how about some trial version of a plugin that came with the new computer? Or some non-audio program 'phoning home'. DPC Latency Checker (free) will tell you if there is something interfering after ten minutes. There are great instructions on the site. Let it run for awhile. Ignore the message it isn't optimized for Windows 10.
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Thanks Matt, will most certainly try that
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Hi guys, finally got a recording of this distortion I'm getting. Can anyone make sense of this ? https://soundcloud.com/graham-wilson-1/noise
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Possible causes of that kind of distortion:
1-a plug-in that is in demo mode.
2-a near by ham radio operator
3-WiFi, Bluetooth, phone interference
4-your router to close to the computer
I have similar recording problems with all of the above.
Good luck.
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Thanks Mario
I've removed my behringer module to see if it's that what's causing it
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I've gotten weird noises before by having my cell phone too close to the computer.
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This was goin on long before I got a decent cell phone. Most of the time it's switched off. My pc doesn't have blue tooth, my wife keeps her phone's bluetooth switched off all the time so it ain't that. It might just be my Behringer module as I said. It's the only thing I kept from my old PC
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