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I have never had a problem running out of CPU resources using Neutron, although I don’t use it on every track, maybe three or four tracks in a project. Some of the waves plugins I have are much more CPU intensive than neutron (or nectar for that matter, which I also have and use)
As far as Ozone goes I’m on V8 now and I’ve been using it ever since V2. I’m a fan, it’s one of the best and most useful applications ever written IMHO.
But the workflow I’ve used for the last 15 years is to mix first and then master separately, so I use the standalone version of Ozone, never tried to add it to a project.
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...But the workflow I’ve used for the last 15 years is to mix first and then master separately, so I use the standalone version of Ozone, never tried to add it to a project.
I used it that way until I started using the LinMB. I wish I could insert it in the O8 chain because the standalone mode kept me “honest” in that it eliminated any opportunity to alter the mix while mastering. Bud
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Tony, good observation! Bud, I think CPU is your guardian angel of stability. I believe those 4 cores do the horse work. Mine is 7600U (i7) and it is a dual core. It can handle many things (I ran 25+ tracks of audio+ midi in DAW without issues), but unfortunately it can not handle more than 5-7 full instances of Neutron. It can handle 10+ instances of Fabfilter with CPU not reaching 60%, so plenty of overhead  Lets put it this way. If I had a much faster computer, I would have probably stayed with Izotope, but in my scenario, FabFilter would work more efficiently, plus I do think their EQ plug is much more intuitive for finding clashes. One of things that I thought I would be using is "assistant" but I found that doing this stuff manually is more rewarding and fun. For those who are interested, same White Sea Studio "Snake Oil" episode on Fabfilter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4eLQIjver0&t=452s
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I'm just using an i5 6400 here, no problems whatsoever.
Which makes me wonder if it might be a DAW thing? I use reaper, maybe it is more efficient than whatever it is you use at handling VST plugins?
But whatever, you have a solution that works for you, that's the bottom line.
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Dave, I think you are ok, because you are using only a few instances and another thing, your computer CPU might be the 4 core one. My understanding with these CPU hungry plugs, that number of cores do matter most, not the Ram. I am greedy and do not use plugins in orthodox way. I like to slap them everywhere I see fit I did not mean to put people on defense, sorry if I did. Izotope makes nice VSTs and price is right. But in my case it, Fabfilter works better for EQ, Comp and reverb. I picked up Neutron Elements when it was nearly free a few weeks ago. I wonder if it drains CPU same way is advanced. It has couple of nice filters (Exiter and Transient Shaper). Should be a nice option for 1-2 instances.
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Somehow the thread seems to have wandered from 'Mastering' to 'Mixing'. In the true sense, mastering is done after the mixing is complete. There are many lightweight EQs, compressors and reverbs out there for mixing. Ozone was meant for mastering (one instance in the final chain), and it does it's job very well. FWIW, the Reaper EQ and compressor are nice lightweight VST FX for individual track use (and are freely available via ReaPlugs even if you don't yet have Reaper). https://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/I've caught myself starting to run multiple instances of Ozone on various tracks, then later realized the error of my ways. Not due to CPU resources, but rather because I really shouldn't be processing those tracks that much at this point. EQ, multiband compression, enhancer, limiter, spacial, reverb .. that's a lot to try to get right on a given track, and can be deceiving for a mix. You may get the track to sound awesome, but then fight with the rest of the mix, and leave no room for mastering. I try to keep it more simpler during mixing.. For reverb I usually try to use a buss to keep everything in the same room (sharing a reverb), and the final EQ, multiband compression and limiting is usually saved for later once the mix is done.
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rharv, There was a nice discussion few weeks ago on mixing vs mastering here I am sorry if I turned this thread in a bit different direction. But the point is still somewhat present. Automated mastering vs human mastering. Ozone is "branded/marketed" for mastering. But it shares a lot of things between Izotopes other plugins with a few "specialized" exceptions. If they were not greedy, they would have sold things separately, under one platform. You want exiter, you buy exiter (which is present in elements too) If you want maximizer, you buy just that. I know folks that bought the "package" will argue differently, but I look at things lightly Ozone or Neutron or Nektar or Fabfilter and a few hundred more plugins.... Probably half of the stuff is alike. Some stand out. The more I get into this music thing the more I realize that EQ is #1 Samurai sword for mixing or mastering. At this point, in my view Fabfilter EQ is one of the best things available because it is very light on CPU and allows for multi instances of full plugin on track, not just "relay" will show "clashes" throughout the project and still everything will run smooth.
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Tony, good observation! Bud, I think CPU is your guardian angel of stability. I believe those 4 cores do the horse work. Mine is 7600U (i7) and it is a dual core. It can handle many things (I ran 25+ tracks of audio+ midi in DAW without issues), but unfortunately it can not handle more than 5-7 full instances of Neutron. It can handle 10+ instances of Fabfilter with CPU not reaching 60%, so plenty of overhead Lets put it this way. If I had a much faster computer, I would have probably stayed with Izotope, but in my scenario, FabFilter would work more efficiently, plus I do think their EQ plug is much more intuitive for finding clashes. One of things that I thought I would be using is "assistant" but I found that doing this stuff manually is more rewarding and fun. For those who are interested, same White Sea Studio "Snake Oil" episode on Fabfilter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4eLQIjver0&t=452s There are several things you’ve said here that indicate issues to me. As I said earlier running midi with synths applied really chews up cpu like you would not believe. In Cakewalk it is very easy to see, there is an icon that shows CPU usage by core. You’ll find running MIDI with synths the CPU usage will be quite high. Freeze the tracks and CPU usage will almost assuredly drop to zilch. Then mix. When you are ready to start mixing the MIDI parts should be complete. However, if there are MIDI notes you want to adjust after a listen you can always unfreeze the track, adjust and refreeze. I can only speak for Cakewalk and Reaper and in both freezing and unfreezing is only a click. (I assume similar in other DAWs). For me I would not be running Neutron on 25+ tracks. Quite a number of the tracks would go to busses. For example, drums can take 8 or more tracks, mix the drums then put them to a bus then use Neutron on the bus. Same with other parts. Ozone is only used at the end. As Dave says if you have Ozone Standard or Advanced you can run it as a stand alone or with Ozone Elements render the song to stereo and pull it into a new instance of your DAW. Master after Mixing. Just some thoughts as I read what you wrote. Tony
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I think one of my main problems is not Izotope products, it is that my computer is 2 cores, and Neutron does not like 2 cores, it likes 4 much better I like to slap VSTs on individual tracks. For example to use the Tonal Balance control, which I think is one of the power features of Izotope Neutron, but you have to have an instance of EQ on each track to see whole picture. Fabfilter allows for same thing without the CPU drain. Misha.
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