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#523011 - 02/06/19 09:12 PM [Styles and RealTracks Wishlist] Re: 24 Bit RealTracks [Re: Jim Fogle]
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I post this realizing that it may be an old thread, but I agree with this sentiment. I quit submitting anything to songtradr after I realized that they want the higher bit rate stuff. Anything under 24 bit won't do. When I am recording at home I always use 24 bit, but as someone has already mentioned, mixing the two bit rates is not a desirable thing. If I could afford the audiophile version, I most certainly would do it, but sadly I can't. Raising the bit rate would be an easy enough proposition, but I also realize that this might cause the sales of the audiophile version to suffer. It is something that I find of value to me and others, but from a business point of view, maybe not so much.

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#523203 - 02/07/19 06:45 PM [Styles and RealTracks Wishlist] Re: 24 Bit RealTracks [Re: guitar1]
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Originally Posted By: guitar1
I post this realizing that it may be an old thread, but I agree with this sentiment. I quit submitting anything to songtradr after I realized that they want the higher bit rate stuff. Anything under 24 bit won't do. When I am recording at home I always use 24 bit, but as someone has already mentioned, mixing the two bit rates is not a desirable thing. If I could afford the audiophile version, I most certainly would do it, but sadly I can't. Raising the bit rate would be an easy enough proposition, but I also realize that this might cause the sales of the audiophile version to suffer. It is something that I find of value to me and others, but from a business point of view, maybe not so much.


The Audiophile package is the ONLY package that offers uncompressed, lossless RealTracks and RealDrums audio files as well as the compressed, lossy RealTracks and RealDrums audio files that are the standard for all the other packages. The compressed files are decompressed and restored to a lossless format each time a RealTrack or RealDrum file is loaded into Band-in-a-Box or RealBand. However, by definition some audio data is lost and a restored audio track is a degraded substitute of the original lossless audio file. For these reasons a user using Band-in-a-Box to create professional quality audio files needs to use the Audiophile package. Since professionals (in other words someone wanting to make money with Band-in-a-Box) need the quality of the Audiophile package PG Music can ask a price professionals will pay.

The bit depth standard for recorded audio appears to be 24 bit with conversion to 16 bit typically the last step when creating a master track for compact disc.

My thought is since the overwhelming majority of professional tracking and stem audio files are 24 bit PG Music RealTracks and RealDrums should match the specification.

Guitar1, thank you for giving your support to this wish list request.
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#523465 - 02/09/19 04:35 AM [Styles and RealTracks Wishlist] Re: 24 Bit RealTracks [Re: zedd]
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Originally Posted By: zedd

I was just doing tests this past week and importing BIAB tracks into my DAW where I always work at 24bit/48kHz. There is a noticeable degradation of the BIAB bedtracks because the upsampling adds some slur to the tracks. It's not a huge degradation, but some of the crispness is gone.

If this is happening to you, some setting is wrong. Upsampling to 24-bit adds headroom but does not degrade quality.
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#523513 - 02/09/19 09:20 AM [Styles and RealTracks Wishlist] Re: 24 Bit RealTracks [Re: Jim Fogle]
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The Band-in-a-Box Audiophile tracks are 16 bit at 44.1 Khz sampling rate. That conforms to the compact audio disc standard. The 48 Khz sampling rate you're presently using in your DAW conforms to a video standard.

I would change the DAW sample rate setting to match the RealTracks. You are not gaining any audible advantage by having the DAW convert them to 48 Khz.

Bit depth is a different matter. DAWs routinely change bit depth so they can accurately mix multiple audio files.
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#523914 - 02/11/19 03:20 PM [Styles and RealTracks Wishlist] Re: 24 Bit RealTracks [Re: Jim Fogle]
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If you use RealBand you can set it to 24/48 then it will generate them up at that rate.
The Plugin should have this feature soon so it will generate the tracks up to the same bitrate as the DAW.
But it will be inevitable that the RealTracks/Drums will become 24bit, it's just PG is a bit slow but they will get there.

TEST:
I converted a RealTrack to 24/48 it generated fine in RealBand with it set to 44/16 or 24/48 but Biab just had noise for the audio.
Some time back I tried it with MacBB and it was fine.


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#524140 - 02/12/19 04:53 PM [Styles and RealTracks Wishlist] Re: 24 Bit RealTracks [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Pipeline,

I agree RealBand can convert audio file bit depths, but I'm not requesting for Band-in-a-Box to convert file bit depth. Instead I'm requesting the Audiophile edition waveform files adhere to a 24 bit depth standard.

My thought is people that purchase the Audiophile addition likely plan to use the waveform files as source material to create commercial audio. My understanding is it is easier to mix audio files that have 24 bit depth than the same audio files with 16 bit depth because 24 bit depth has more available headroom than a comparable 16 bit depth file.

Yes daws can covert 16 bit files to 24 bit but conversion can introduce errors.

If someone has their daw set to use 24 bit audio files inside the daw so they can utilize the extra headroom but plan on exporting a 16 bit track then the PG Music source files will be converted twice so there will be double the chance of error.
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