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Hi everyone, Floyd Jane had suggested that we should have a contest to figure out how best to mix this Rock song. Here is a link to the raw stems/tracks. Please advise if there is any issue with the tracks. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dtkdhe0dij57dd8/AABBWL72gE18iwTwaynVDefea?dl=0Here is a version with little to no mixing. As you can see I have little skill in this area!!! https://soundcloud.com/planobillydfw/cyber-space-final3 Feel free to mix as you see fit. It would be cool if you could keep track of how you mix this, what FX's you use, ect, for a later discussion. After mixing and posting we can all listen to see what we think. Thanks, Billy EDIT: Key of E 120 BPM
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Awesome, Billy!
So that everyone knows... I've downloaded these... it is simple to do - the Download button in Dropbox (upper right hand corner) will download the entire folder as a zip file - 230M. It will extract to 488M (they are WAVs).
The download is really fast (for me anyway) - less than a minute.
The stems all line up perfectly in the DAW (Studio One, for me).
So, quick and easy to get started...
I also check replacing the drums. You can bring up BIAB, set a tempo of 120 and about 105 measures - and any generated RealDrums line up perfectly...
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I assume that everyone would know but just in case...
The song is written in four bar segments. Starting at measure three.
|E|E|E|E (this is a E power chord riff)
|D|A|E|E
|D|A|E|E
As this repeats, you can also see this as 12 bar segments.
The song is 103 measures long. There is a four measure fade at the end.
If the guitar solo will not fit over your version I can replay the solo or you can play the solo yourself as you like.
I also put this together in Studio One 4.
Floyd....you should not have let me know you are using Studio One!!! I will be bugging you with questions!!! Ha Ha lol
Anyway, thanks for all the advice.
Cheers,
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Floyd....you should not have let me know you are using Studio One!!! I will be bugging you with questions!
Same here!
I just DLed the folder and hope to get at this soon.
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First of all I just had a listen, good song!
I’ll give it a go if I can find the time, I’ve never tried to mix someone’s else’s song before so it will be good experience, and also fun.
I guess we just post the song links as part of this thread?
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I'm looking forward to hearing different interpretations! Y'all feel free to knock this one... My mix of Planobilly's Cyber Space I swapped out the drums for RockHardEven8. I dropped a Studio One preset on that - called S1 Drumgroup - the one I use all the time - includes a multiband compressor and EQ. The bass got another preset "Funk Bass" (compression and EQ) that gives some definition. I bumped up the high EQ (a shelf) on the lead guitars to give them "some sheen". The vocals (and harmonies) are cool. That boy can sing! I added the usual compression, EQ, delay and reverb (a bit more delay and reverb than I usually use). The harmonies all got a Nectar preset (Rock Classic (group)). The rest was just panning (guitars and harmonies) and setting volumes of tracks relative to the others... mostly to bring out the vocals and the drums and the bass (I don't think I got the bass "fat" enough, though). These type songs (Hard Rock with screamin' guitars and vocals) ARE harder to mix (I think) - especially for those of us who don't do them (usually). My ears are shot for a while... 
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Great version! I like what you did. A combination of subtle moves can make a big difference. Plus I like the new drums.
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Can't wait to see what you guys come up with! I'm curious to hear the results.
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Hey Floyd, Great job!!
I had to leave for a while today.
I find I can not listen to this style of music with a headset on for too very long. It is a lot of work to mix this sort of thing. Even worse on stage live!!lol
I have to redo the lead guitar line at the end of the song and get it off the vocal.There are two guitar notes that have to come out at 3:08.
I am going to try to duplicate what you did in Studio One. I own that DAW and Sonar Platinum.
A question about drums in general. I assume there is no way in BB to have drum kit pieces split out on separate tracks. What if you wanted to put some reverb on just the snare or EQ to change the tone?
Also, I know how to multi track drums in Sonar but I have not quite got a handle on the same process in Studio One.I know how to do it but find it odd not to see a track.
I am going to try out the S1 Drumgroup.
Thank you very much for taking the time to mix this.
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Does it have to be using PG products - because I have fallen in love with ToonTrack EZDrummer, and I would be going that way for drums if I had my choice.
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Can I redo the lead guitar part if I keep it close to what the original is playing? Nothing wrong with what is there now, just want to have some fun EDIT: Actually after thinking about it for a minute it's better if I didn't, not a true comparison to see how different people mix if the guitar on mine is different.
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Does it have to be using PG products - because I have fallen in love with ToonTrack EZDrummer, and I would be going that way for drums if I had my choice. My opinion - since this is really Billy's show - is that using EZ Drummer would be fair game, since Billy stated early on that he was not satisfied with the drums (that is why I replaced them). And... it is a mix, so not really a PG-Music-product thing (most the tracks ARE from BIAB). I, for one, would love to hear you do a mix... Can I redo the lead guitar part if I keep it close to what the original is playing? Nothing wrong with what is there now, just want to have some fun EDIT: Actually after thinking about it for a minute it's better if I didn't, not a true comparison to see how different people mix if the guitar on mine is different. Again, my opinion - because it is Billy's show - I think changing the drums (and perhaps the bass?) would be "okay", but the guitars - especially the lead - should remain - as you state - for comparison purposes.
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Guys,
Please feel free to use what ever you like. I have EZDrummer and addictive drums and session drummer and one or two others. I would actually prefer to use one of those because of the greater amount of control. I think the drum line from BB that Floyd used is is OK. The only issue is there is no way to control each separate piece.
If anyone wants to create another version by playing a new guitar line, that would be really fine with me. Perhaps if you do that you should make two versions. One we can compare for mixing purposes and a all together different one. That would not be the first time someone here has reworked one of my songs.
I don't like the drums I used. I had in mind to get the drummer in the band to play something in his studio at some point in the future. I am not in love with the bass line. If we only change the bass line and drums, the song will remain more or less the same. It will still be a screaming rock vocal/guitar song.
As far as the lead guitar line goes, most likely every time I play this song I will play a somewhat different lead.
All of us here like PG products or we would not be here to begin with. I think all would agree there is no good reason to use them exclusively. I did not write down what I used out of BB. But for sure the bass track, one rhythm track. I think all the other guitar I played. I used Addictive drums. The vocals were done by Dan,a friend of mine in London, England. Future vocals will be done here live in my studio using the guys in the band.
I have to go to the the Dr. Be back in a bit. Don't ever get old..lollol
Cheers,
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Looking through the net I found a vid that demonstrated how to add vocal tracks. He was using BIAB 2018 which had some files named Vocal Ooh,s and Vocal Aah,s. I am using BIAB 2019 and I cannot find these files anywhere. Any suggestions
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Well, that was fun! I normally spend three days or more on a mix, here is the result of three hours including building the drum track: My mix of Cyber Space I used EZDrummer2 to build the drum track, and ran it through CLA Drums Bass is processed with CLA Bass Rhythm guitars are processed with CLA Unplugged and CLA Guitars, and I did some panning Lead guitar is processed with Neutron2 Main vocal is going through CLA Vocals and a de-esser. Background vocals are panned and routed to a separate bus that has it's own instance of CLA Vocals (different settings) Mastered with Ozone8. I didn't listen to floyds until I finished mine, didn't want to be influenced by what he did. His is much different! Anyway, I had fun doing this, great idea!
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Hi Dave,
Great mix!! I like the drums the best of any yet. We will see what Rockstar has to say if he decides to jump in with EZDrummer.
After listening to "What Could I Do" and "The Blue Line" it is obvious you are a really good guitar player. I have not had the time to listen to all your stuff yet. At first glance, I think we must like many of the same things musically...B3, Gary Moore!!
Now I am really wanting to hear a lead guitar part by you!!!
This has been an eye opener for me. I hope I can figure out how to implement some of the sonic ideas I am hearing.
Thanks so much for taking the time to deal with this.
Cheers,
Billy
EDIT: After listening to this a few times it is obvious that there are to many imperfections in my lead guitar line to be "fixed". I will play it again and perhaps others will play a line of their own.
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steviered
The files you are looking for are real tracks under vocal. You can select the style button filter string "vocal" category "show all" and this will take you there.
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Here is how this idea got started. 1. I listen to John Lee Hooker's "Boom Boom Boom" many times in my life. 2. I listen to ZZ Top La Grange a zillion times. I assume Billy got the idea from John Lee Hooker 3. I wanted a heavily over driven riff that was something like that but did not copy John Lee or Billy Here are the three riffs. John Lee, Tim Pierce, and me. https://soundcloud.com/planobillydfw/how-cyber-space-started-track-42/s-3o1j4 The basic music was written before the cell phone idea came up. So aside from the issues of mixing, a lot of other thinking went into creating this song so far. I have no idea yet if it is a keeper or not. First of all, it is not finished. To a great extent it is not me who will decide if it will get played in the future. My job is to write songs. Others have to decide if they are any good or not. Cheers, Billy EDIT: If you want to hear direct rip offs listen to Norman Greenbaum - Spirit in the Sky...lol
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Cyber Space This is my version. I used all of the original stems and the only change I made was to eliminate a small portion of the final guitar part. This allows the song end with vocals. Magic sauce: 1-all drum parts = Waves CLA drums 2-Bass = Studio One Pro compression 3-all guitars = Waves REDD17 4-all vocals = Waves JJP Vocals, Waves Vocal Rider, a touch of Breverb Master buss = Studio One Pro EQ and compression.
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Hi Mario,
Cool mix. This changed the song from a screaming in your face Rock tune to something a little more musical and subdued.
It is pretty amazing how different the same set of stems can turn out as a function of mixing.
Thanks for doing this. I for one am getting a education in what is possible.
Given the fact that there are many imperfections in the original stems,I think if a thousand separate people listen to each mix it would be hard to predict which one would be liked the best.Even if the obvious imperfections were fixed, it would be difficult to guess what non musicians would think.
It appears that Studio One is liked by more than a few people.
Thanks,
Billy
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