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#535108 - 05/02/19 04:46 AM [RealBand] I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016
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Hi, I had posted earlier that RealBand 2016 version 7 and version 10 were aborting on me. I can't find that post so here is the final result of that post.

My Ratings:
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Band In A Box 2016.
Love this program. 10 out of 10. A Keeper. Will upgrade if great new jazz related realtracks are introduced or maybe great new features.
RealBand 2016.
I have stopped using this program except maybe for creating an acid loop but I very rarely will do this. For this last reason I will give it a 3 out of 10. To many aborts for me. Details below.
Audacity latest version as of 2019.
I have replaced RealBand with this program. Love Audacity. Does everything I need extremely fast/well. Never seems to abort.

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So I did a mix session for our jams. I did the first 3 mixes with RealBand. Lots of aborts. The 4th song was too much for me. I would say the total hours lost due to aborts was about 6. I decided to try Audacity. It took me about 4 hours to learn everything I needed to know. I finished the remaining 11 mix downs with zero aborts. In fact I learned to trust it so much that at the end I didn't do any interim saves. Audacity is clearly all I am likely to ever need. This experience with RealBand reminds me of the survey question the MultiCharts people put out on their forum. 'What is the most important feature you look for in our software". Every single answer was reliability. One last thing about RealBand. I had upgrade to version 10 of 2016. It seems that the aborts roll it back to version 7. Almost forgot. I am using Windows 7 service pack 1 on 3 machines. I have no other programs giving me any issues on any of the machines and I run a lot of software. I may have stopped using software before that was too buggy but not to often. I just remembered Version 3 of Multicharts had serious bug issues so I rolled back to version 2.9 for a couple of years then finally got the nerve to upgrade to version 8. It was fine. I am now on version 11 of MultiCharts. It has not aborted on me yet. The thing about Multicharts that is different than RealBand is that no other software is as good as as MultiCharts within its category. The main point is if your software is not not the best in its category you need to have your software running 100% bug free for users like myself (I don't do beta). I would recommend programming that stores a history of the abort somehow and when the abort is the first of a type force the dump to be saved to disk and somehow in the background (so it does not bother the user) ship it to your programming team for investigation. In addition to this make sure the user is contacted when you are sure the fix is in place (you need to make sure they know you fixed it). Automate this and make sure the user's know of this procedure (especially the ones who get an abort). Of course some aborts just lock up. I guess with those ones you just have to use in house testers and beta testers who are trained on how to get the info you need to you. The MultiCharts people use to have 5 dedicated testers (I do not know the current number). Some software vendors have 3 versions out there (totally reliable in that it never aborts, a bit risky, beta). Interactive Broker's Traders Workstation is like this. I have used only the totally reliable and I have never had an abort ever since 2007 when I first started using it.

John



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#535114 - 05/02/19 06:39 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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John,

Thanks for the post.

I too love BB 2016. I have the 2016 version of RB and I gave up on it for the same reason you did. It crashed almost every session.

I have been working with Reaper for the past week. I haven't turned off my wifi or my antivirus. It has not crashed once in about 12 hours work. I never had it that good with RB.

Thanks for the recommendations on Audacity, Cakewalk and Traktion. I think they may do a few things easier than Reaper. Still, I am really impressed with Reaper.

Again, thanks.

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#535121 - 05/02/19 07:38 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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I have said it a 1000 times. I made a tool. Should you have to do this before each session? That's for debate.
First save your RB setup. Before each session do a factory reset. Reload your setup file. Works for me for years.


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#535125 - 05/02/19 07:57 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: silvertones]
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I did the factory reset. Didn't fix the problem. That was mentioned in a prior thread. I included the pictures of the factory reset. Actually every time Realband goes down it comes back up asking me to do this anyway. It then aborts again immediately. Not only that I had saved my .seq files at various stages of the mix. Didn't help. I return the file and once it had a mind to abort it didn't matter. This pattern occurred a few times last month.

It seems that there are certain features in the 2016 version that were not working that well. They may have been fixed in the 2019 version. My decision was the try Audacity instead of upgrading. I am glad I did. It has features I like better (faster and easier). Such is the real market place.



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#535142 - 05/02/19 11:46 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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I have Audacity. It is a wonderful waveform editor program that I use to edit wave files. Audacity is also my preferred computer based digital recorder. I use Audacity to convert audio files from wave to MP3 formats. I find that for editing, recording or file conversions Audacity is far and away the most stable and crash resistant, easiest, fastest and accurate program for my use while performing those tasks. However, Audacity doesn't replace RealBand in my music toolbox. I haven't tried to use RealBand as a file editor, pc based recorder or file convertor tool.

I primarily use RealBand to add more audio content to Band-in-a-Box song projects. That is a task that RealBand excels in performing. I can't use Audacity because Audacity has too many limitations to complete that task. Audacity doesn't work with styles. Audacity doesn't work with MIDI. Audacity doesn't work with soft synths. Audacity can't import SGU or MGU song projects. Audacity can't guide a RealTracks instrument through the chords embedded in a chord sheet. Audacity can't create multi-riffs. Audacity can't use MIDISuperTracks. Not using RealBand means giving up the capability to easily add audio content to my Band-in-a-Box projects.
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#535177 - 05/02/19 04:45 PM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Yes I agree Jim with everything in your post. I screwed up the BIAB tracks on two songs during the live jam recording. I tried to go back and use RealBand to insert them. I got the click track set and the bars lined up and it did not abort. Unfortunately it aborted on me when I tried the generate. I get the impression that RealBand
2016 was a very buggy release (maybe rushing to release the nodes).

The important part of my post is automating the dumps. I believe sharp programmers can figure this out if they are pushed to do so (automated abort processing - do not rely on the user to report them. Many users will be pissed of and in no mood to help at that point. They are more likely to look elsewhere and I am very glad I did so in a way it was a blessing in disguise.). If a company is under pressure to make the mistake of releasing programs before proper testing they should at least do this much and get back to users when the solution is found. Why am I pushing this? To help get PGmusic to think about this and increase chances they will continue to survive (loosing BIAB would be a shame - two very important MS-access tools were lost due to the companies going out of business - I am not sure why but the idea is don't think it can't happen - releasing buggy software is a big mistake - better to delay until you get it right). Think about this possible scenario (I still have BIAB 2016. I get an auto generated email. Your bug for this and that is fixed. It gives me another reason to upgrade because I would be truly impressed).


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#535179 - 05/02/19 04:58 PM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: silvertones]
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I'm glad it works for you. I don't think it is reasonable to do this every session.

I also notice that some people have zero issues and some have frequent problems. Those of us who have problems aren't stupid and we don't have poor equipment, so I don't understand.

I like the RB interface. I love some of the things it can do. I just couldn't get it to do them without frequent problems. Some features such as time stretch never worked.

I suggested a long time ago that PG work to make this program more stable. As long as it is considered a free add-on, I don't think they will. But I am glad it works for many of you. I also appreciate all the help this forum gave me as I struggled with RB.
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#535182 - 05/02/19 05:05 PM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: 2bSolo]
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I second everything 2bSolo said as well.

Maybe upgrading to RB 2019 may have helped but I was not sure and I don't want to see any more aborts. I needed a fix fast I could trust and Audacity gave most of it to me. Removing the BIAB track was not a big issue (just a jam). That issue was caused by my error. I don't blame RB for that one. However it is advertised as being able to help and it could not. That is the key point. Saying a software can do something but it really can't is not good especially when on top of that it wastes people's time. I don't trust RB now. Some companies make the absolute worst mistake of blaming the user. The fact that PGmusic is not doing this is a good sign.


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#535189 - 05/02/19 06:05 PM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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It took me awhile, at least maybe a year, to adjust my way of working to the way RealBand operates enough that the program would operate without crashing too often. But, it still crashes more often than I would like.

2bSolo, your right in your observation some users often seem to have RealBand crashes while other rarely do. I can't speak for others but for me it was a learning process. I constantly had to think about what I was doing when a crash happened, what could I do to adjust so it wouldn't happen again, test and see if my adjustment works. I discovered a couple of weak spots in how the program operates and try to avoid them.

Save, save, save! You can't save too often. The more often you save the less often you crash!

Every now and then use save as and save the project under a new name. If, or when, your project crashes, close the program, open the program and open the last project name that worked. You've lost whatever you did from the time of the last save as to the time the crash happened but ... you didn't completely lose the project!

If you use a feature like the gain or volume nodes you need to use extra care. In addition to the saves and save as you need to take steps specific to the feature like clean-up nodes, don't move any node up, down, left or right too much. In other words, don't create a node unless you need it and when you do create one, create it where you need it.

So, the program is temperamental. I wish it wasn't but it is. Learn what sets it off and minimize those things.

Everyone has to decide for themself if the benefits outweigh the effort required. For me, it does.
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#535198 - 05/02/19 08:06 PM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Thanks Jim,

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It took me awhile, at least maybe a year, to adjust my way of working to the way RealBand operates enough that the program would operate without crashing too often. But, it still crashes more often than I would like.

This is the reality with much software. All programmers know programs should ideally never abort. The program should anticipate everything that comes at it and deal with it (example: popups when the user makes an error). It is a tall order and generally only very mature programs are this advanced. Ones with big money behind them like banking software or brokerage software.


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I constantly had to think about what I was doing when a crash happened, what could I do to adjust so it wouldn't happen again, test and see if my adjustment works. I discovered a couple of weak spots in how the program operates and try to avoid them.


Yes. Always. With BIAB I had a macro doing some things to control it. BIAB would bomb and I would need to do a factory reset. I changed my macro to make it better for me and much to my surprise the macro change fixed the BIAB bombing. I have no idea why and no time to go back and figure it out.

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Save, save, save! You can't save too often. The more often you save the less often you crash!

Every now and then use save as and save the project under a new name. If, or when, your project crashes, close the program, open the program and open the last project name that worked. You've lost whatever you did from the time of the last save as to the time the crash happened but ... you didn't completely lose the project!


This did not work for me. It should but something deeper was going on. I documented a procedure to do my mixes. About 8 major steps. At the end of each step I would save (it was part of the instructions). I would name the step after the song name. Returning the file did not fix an abort. I think bad data was getting saved. So for example I would close down the program, do the standard RB reset when prompted, return the file and it would immediately abort again. I think I even tried shutting down windows once and I got the same result. In other words it created the problem and it was a long time before its ugly head finally surfaced. Now that was very annoying.


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If you use a feature like the gain or volume nodes you need to use extra care. In addition to the saves and save as you need to take steps specific to the feature like clean-up nodes, don't move any node up, down, left or right too much. In other words, don't create a node unless you need it and when you do create one, create it where you need it.

Yes, I am not surprised this feature would introduce bugs. Audacity seems to have it down pat. RB is better in that it gives you a number to reset to but in a way that isn't that important. Audacity is so fast at zooming in and out I just eye ball it and hear it (have to do that anyways). But getting back to the aborts it the program auto saved the info from the abort and asked the user to leave the machine on overnight while it uploaded the dump to PGmusic also telling them they would eventually get back to them when the fix was in place this would give users a lot of confidence. The program needs a detailed log of what it is doing upload as well as the user info for the problem is fixed emailing. I think it would need a central switch that can be used to turn the log writes off once they feel the bug is fixed. It I remember correctly Multicharts did the reverse. They built this into their programs anticipating potential problems and only if the bugs showed would they turn the log on. They would turn it on for sections of the program. However they did not have a (when fixed notification system).

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So, the program is temperamental. I wish it wasn't but it is. Learn what sets it off and minimize those things. Everyone has to decide for themselves if the benefits outweigh the effort required. For me, it does.

True. I never had any aborts when creating acid loops. I put one in my BIAB backing tracks on one song. I will rarely use it.

If cleaning up nodes is something that helps prevent the bugs this probably can be automated. The programmers are in a much better position to know when to do this and why. That should be blatantly obvious but may be it is only obvious to me because I am a programmer. The irony is if they put this in they probably can fix the issue and it may not be needed. Can't say for sure but I give it pretty high odds. After all they wrote the routine to clean it up didn't they. Who knows. Maybe this is why Audacity works so well in this way. Maybe every time you place a volume node it calls a clean up routine.





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#535233 - 05/03/19 07:01 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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In a prior post I indicated I decided to try Audacity because I did not trust PGmusic to have fixed their volume-nodes causing aborts issue. I just realized last night why I made that decision. If PGmusic has zero documentation on volume nodes (except one video which does not even mention gain-nodes) then the odds that they have had time and resources to fix the abort issue is very low. It is interesting how the unconscious mind helps us make decisions without our even being aware of what it is thinking.
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#535335 - 05/04/19 07:26 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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FWIW I went thru a period where PT/RB gave me issues with hanging. That problem went away a couple updates later. Don't recall if it was 2016 or not.

What I found was that a process called STOM.EXE would get stuck open. When it happened you could see it in the Task Manager process list after closing RB/PT.
Manually closing it (End Task) would cure it for a while.
Not sure what triggered the problem, assumed it was a plugin, but anyway I haven't seen the issue in years.

Jeff couldn't duplicate it at the time so it may have been machine/environment specific, but somehow something fixed it.


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#535339 - 05/04/19 08:26 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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Truth.
You want RB to be perfect right? Me too but not at the cost of Peter selling PGM to Sony, Adobe or any of the other big guns. I've been making my living for 10 years with RB and have close to 300 songs. I also probably have the most complex setup of anyone here as well. I work the program hard.
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#535343 - 05/04/19 08:41 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: silvertones]
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I've been making my living for 10 years with RB and have close to 300 songs.


This is a much more interesting topic than my former issue with RB because I found something that works perfect and it only took me 4 hours to learn everything I need to know and probably ever will need to know since I am a jazz guitarist and won't deviate from that primary objective. How do you generate your revenue with Realband?


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#535344 - 05/04/19 08:43 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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#535345 - 05/04/19 08:46 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: silvertones]
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Cool! Do you use just RealBand or a mix of BIAB and RealBand? Do you play an instrument as well (doing something sort of similar to what I am doing but in my case I am not trying to make a living).


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#535348 - 05/04/19 09:22 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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Strictly RB.
I use 2 audio cards for a total of 10 outputs into a digital stage box mixer. The mixer interface is software. I also use 1 midi track utilizing MIDI YOKE to trigger Qlite Controller+ to automate my lights. 3k watt PA with subs. I can kick [*****]. And do!
BTW I only play live.I don't make cds.
Biab no longer offers me anymore that RB can't do.
In the first years I ran RB on a P2-400 with very little ram. I doubt anyone is using that old of a machine.


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#535353 - 05/04/19 09:41 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: silvertones]
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Interesting Pipeline. Mostly over my head :-)

I am a lot different. I spend up to 9 hours a day practicing guitar after retiring from programming and market trading which was a deviation from my prior career of guitar teaching which I did for 13 years. I only use BIAB because people change their mind last minute requiring instant adjustment to the number of repeats in the backing tracks we use (normally drums since the current restaurant room is a bit small for drums). RB can't do this instant adjustment (I tried just out of curiosity).

Peter wants RB perfect too of course and I am sure these aborts will eventually be fixed and at roughly the same time more documentation will be in place. Nodes are simply a sub-project that is not 100% complete yet (once it is complete the button for the users to clean up the nodes will be removed because it will be automated - a temp step might be documentation as to when to click that button). Like I said MultiCharts had issues in the early days and it has a lot less now. In 2005 MultiCharts was started.. But MC is a fairly expensive program (Cost me $630 in 2007 and now costs about $1,700). RB is free. It might take longer for RB to get close to perfect in that it rarely aborts. I am a bit surprised Audacity is still free. But then again I am not a recording engineer and I also have probably only used 2% of its features. Maybe it has lots of bugs in some of the other features.

Most people make investments that are correct for themselves at the moment. Peter, myself and you. When removing bugs in RB is a good investment for Peter he will make it so. When he does that I may never know and may never try RB nodes again which is why I made some of the earlier suggestions. At present to know of these improvements I would need a routine to review the RB release notes yearly with a few key word searches (reading them all is too much work). My suggestions ultimately are a type of marketing idea. Number of aborts could be considered a leading indicator to an uninstall decision and many programs these days ask why one is uninstalling. It might be better if the user knows in advance the company has a record of your aborts and will get back to you when they are fixed. Just a thought.


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#535374 - 05/04/19 01:17 PM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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So here it is (the idea spelled out).

RB aborts but it is not a lock up. A popup comes up that says this.

The program has aborted and information is being saved to disk so we can later upload it to PGmusic for inspection and later contact you by email when the problem has been fixed. Please wait a moment for the next popup.


Once it is finished another popup appears saying.

Please check a checkbox to indicate a good hour during the day to upload the information to PGmusic. Your computer will need to be left on during this time. You can also check the checkbox at the bottom to indicate if you want your computer turned off after all of these uploads have completed. It will only be turned off it nothing else is running at the time. If your computer is not on during the hour indicated for upload it will continue to check daily until the information is uploaded.


The error routine should remember the settings.

How the dumps would be grouped for response or even bypass is the big question. There may be some manual work involved in this. What I am saying is you would want to be sure the correct people got notice of the fix and be sure there are no emails going out to incorrect people. You would also want to not send out more than one email if the user had 10 dumps related to a fix. I don't think this is really all that difficult to manage (just proper sorting and tagging possibly). The thing is putting this together would force a company to really have their act together when it comes to processing aborts. Having users switch to other software without the company being aware of it or aware of why is not a good thing. I could have just silently done that. But it is better for PGmusic in the long run if I speak my mind and introduce these ideas. They may need some sub-ideas to make them work (often the case). Do this very very well and you might have trouble getting rid of customers and also get more upgrades too :-)


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#535629 - 05/06/19 07:34 AM [RealBand] Re: I have mostly stopped using RealBand 2016 [Re: bowlesj]
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Oh I do play bass and sing live.Forgot to answer.
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User Tip - Create harmony Using the TC Helicon in RealBand 2020

Interested in creating harmonies using RealBand and the TC Helicon? Check out this forum post, where program user Noel96 shares information on his technique!

Have a tip of your own to share? Feel free to post it to our Tips & Tricks forum!

Thanks for sharing, Noel96!

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows & VST DAW Plugin Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows users!!! The latest FREE patch (build 713) and DAW Plugin Update 2.4.5 is available - learn more and download here.

Summary of changes for build 713:
Fixed: Rendered audio files might be silent if mono and 24 bit are selected.
Fixed: Possible crash when rendering to audio at 48.0kHz or 96.0kHz sample rate.
Improved: Better support for localized versions.
Fixed: Importing audio files that were 96 kHz sampling rate would fail.
Fixed: The [More Info...] button in the Artist Browser dialog would launch the wrong web page.
Fixed: Importing an ABCNotation file would not include the key signature.
Fixed: ABC files only opening some chords.
Fixed: Problem storing minor keys.(ampersand).
Fixed: A few artists not displaying properly in Artist Browsers.
Improved: RealDrums Picker information for the 2020 RealDrums has been updated/improved.
Fixed: Some of the RealDrums from the 2020 release did not have drum groove names.
Improved: All of the 2020 MIDI SuperTracks now have memos.
Fixed: Some RealTracks were listed under the incorrect Set# in the RealTracks Picker.
Fixed: _Gentle style from Xtra PAK 4 had an acoustic guitar set to Held mode.
Fixed: Some ska style demos had drum drop outs.
Fixed: Rendered files were not being normalized.
Fixed: Pressing spacebar in the Notation window might launch a web browser instead of starting playback.
Fixed: Practice window | Master Solos | Blues Piano, displays N/A.
Fixed: MusicXML files created by Band-in-a-Box cannot be loaded by Band-in-a-Box if song title contains & (ampersand).
Fixed: Japanese lyrics are garbage text when saving to MusicXML.
Fixed: Various animations (eg. Guitar window notes) would freeze during playback if using MME drivers.
Fixed: With some computers, distorted audio when soloing a track.
Fixed: Changing a custom track label had no option to Undo, and did not prompt user to save song.
Updated: Manual/Help [routine updates]
Fixed: When re-saving a song that has an audio track, the audio track was not copied.
Fixed: Dropping a song file onto Band-in-a-Box did not set the current directory.
Fixed: The RealTracks picker window should remember its location when reopening.
Fixed: The Piano Roll window was opening at the wrong bar location.
Improved: Better quality audio resampling when rendering audio to higher sample rates.
Fixed: Resampler quality setting in ASIO drivers dialog was ignored.
Fixed: Using WAS audio drivers with 24 bit & 48kHz output rate might result in noise.

Summary of Changes for DAW Plugin Update 2.4.5 (Jan 21 2020)
Fixed: Opening Band-in-a-Box song files (.sgu) would fail if the file names and/or paths contained any European language characters (eg. à,è).
Fixed: Message if bbw4 has no valid handle
Fixed: Mute and sync buttons not working properly
Fixed: Clicking cancel would lag before cancelling
Fixed: Right-click anywhere on track for context menu
Fixed: Increase maximum chord sheet font size
Added: Double click track name to launch picker of currently selected track
Added: Flashing GENERATE button to notify if song needs to be regenerated
Added: Mute and sync buttons to track context menu
Added: Right-click chord opens bar settings menu at that bar
Added: Error code for bbw4 related error messages
Fixed: Plugin asking to save when booting the plugin and selecting File/Open
Fixed: Crash when running vst3 plugin in reaper
Fixed: Scroll bar margins when resizing plugin
Fixed: Bar settings not saving
Fixed: Time Base, and Natural Arrangement not saving settings
Fixed: Calling bbw4 when already open will bring windows to front
Fixed: Tool tips in Preferences Dialog
Fixed: Time signature should be set from DAW when first opened
Fixed: Set "..." colours for truncated chords to black
Fixed: Selected track in table should be more obvious
Fixed: Click YES to Save dialog and then cancel will reset save state to true
Added: Right click for track table context menu
Added: Medley/Multi (thickening) feature

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows on a USB 3.0 Hard Drive - Speed Thrills!

Did you know... all Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows UltraPAK and UltraPAK+ orders ship preinstalled on a USB 3.0 hard drive!

What does this mean? Faster hard drive transfer rates will enhance the program operations (faster time to generate tracks, reduced audio artifacts) and offer faster transfer speeds (typically up to 3x faster)!

Band-in-a-Box® UltraPAK $469
Upgrade from Version 2019: $279
Upgrade from Version 2018 or earlier or crossgrade: $299

Band-in-a-Box® UltraPAK+ $569
Upgrade from Version 2019: $379
Upgrade from Version 2018 or earlier or crossgrade: $399

Note: The difference between the UltraPAK and the UltraPAK+ is that the Songs & Lessons PAK is included in the UltraPAK+ package.

Our Band-in-a-Box® Audiophile Edition ships preinstalled on a USB 3.0 hard drive too!
Band-in-a-Box® Audiophile Edition $669
Upgrade from Version 2019: $479
Upgrade from Version 2018 or earlier or crossgrade: $499
Upgrade from ANY previous Audiophile Edition: $299

We're at The NAMM Show!

Heading to The NAMM Show? Make sure you stop by Booth 1015 (Hall E) - we'll be doing product demonstrations every hour, with some RealTracks Artists popping in for performances with Band-in-a-Box too!

Click here for more information about The NAMM Show, held in Anaheim California at the Anaheim Convention Center.

It's Almost Over - Order by January 15th to SAVE on Xtra Styles PAKs & Loops-with-Style PAK 1!

NEW products for Band-in-a-Box® 2019 for Mac: Xtra Styles PAK 8 and Loops-with-Style PAK 1!

--SPECIAL PRICING ONLY AVAILABLE UNTIL JANUARY 15TH!--

We've added 164 fantastic new RealStyles in Xtra Styles PAK 8! These are imaginative new combinations of our existing RealTracks library that fall into four categories: Rock/Pop 8, Jazz 8, Country 8, and Celtic 1. To celebrate the release of Xtra Styles PAK 8, ALL of our Xtra Styles PAKs 1-8 are on sale for just $29 each! Learn more & listen to demos here.

Also brand-new is our Loops-with-Style PAK 1 for Band-in-a-Box®, which gives you the chance to expand your loops collection with 100 new loops! We've taken the RealDrums and RealTracks source audio and remixed, remastered, and combined it to create these original loops. All of your favorite genres are covered like jazz, funk, rock, pop, electronic, hip-hop, and more! To show them in action, we've created 50 new RealStyles that each include two of the loops. Plus, if you use the loops in Band-in-a-Box, we've included intelligent versions of the loops that automatically switch at A and B part markers. Each loop has a matching sister loop that works perfectly for another substyle! Get started with Loops-with-Style PAK 1 for the introductory price of just $19 until January 15th (reg: $29). Learn more & watch a great video demonstration here.

Note: Xtra Styles PAK 8 and Loops-with-Style PAK 1 require the Band-in-a-Box® 2019 or higher UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, or Audiophile Edition.

Windows User? Choose from these links: Xtra Styles PAKs | Loops-with-Style PAK 1

Built-in Audio Chord Wizard Enhancements in Band-in-a-Box® 2020!

Our Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows version includes some great enhancements to the Built-in Audio Chord Wizard!

-The built-in Audio Chord Wizard is now accessible from the [Audio Chord Wizard] button.
-The Audio Edit window now displays chords and tempos for each bar. They are shown when the Audio Chord Wizard mode is active so that you can see the tempo for each bar as you set the bar lines.
-When you start entering bar lines, the program automatically sets the tempo to the tempo of the first bar.
-Once the tempo of the first bar is set, the program automatically moves the location of the first bar of audio over so that the visual space of the count-in bars is visible.
-After you’ve added the bar lines, IF you adjust the first or second bar and the tempo of the first bar changes accordingly, the program automatically changes the tempo of the song to match.
-Multi-window display. This gives the Audio Chord Wizard a multi-window view so that you can see and edit both the Audio Edit window and the Chords Sheet at the same time. This display is best viewed with a small toolbar mode. This allows you to see the chords as they are being interpreted by the wizard.
-The Audio Chord Wizard can send the transcribed MIDI notes to the Soloist track for further analysis by the user (via Piano Roll or Notation window). Note that this is a "snapshot" view every 8th note of the pitches present, not an attempt at polyphonic transcription. To use this feature, enable the "MIDI to Soloist" check box.

Read more about these enhancements here, or jump to the New Feature - Audio Chord Wizard (ACW) Enhancements section of our New Features video here.

The Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows® Special ENDS January 15th!!!

IT'S YOUR LAST WEEKEND TO SAVE UP TO 50% ON YOUR BAND-IN-A-BOX® UPGRADE!

Our SALE on Band-in-a-Box® 2020 Upgrade purchases ends January 15, 2020, so there is still some time to save up to 50% when you purchase your Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows Upgrade!

Customers LOVE Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows with over 50 new features, plus the 202 New RealTracks, new RealStyles, 15 new MIDI SuperTracks, 170 new Instrumental Studies, 30 new MIDI Styles, 280 RealDrums Transcriptions, the 2020 Free Bonus PAK, 2020 49-PAK, and new Xtra Styles PAK 8!

We've packed our Free Bonus PAK & 49-PAK with some amazing Add-ons! The Free Bonus PAK is automatically included with most Band-in-a-Box® for Windows 2020 packages, but for more even more Add-ons (including 40 Unreleased RealTracks) upgrade it to the 2020 49-PAK for only $49. You can see the full lists of items in each package, and listen to demos here.

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® packages page for all the purchase options available.

Learn more about all the new features in Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows at: www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.new.htm

If you need any help deciding which package is the best option for you, just let us know. We are here to help!

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