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I have an arrangement that uses several tracks - guitars and drum/percussion - at double time, the bass is the only one to play 'normal.'. They will play just fine IN the sequence, and if I save as a single WAV it is fine.
When I freeze the tracks, save the song and reopen - the tracks play back 'normal' not double, and NOT what I saved, rather than double, despite their being frozen.
IF I try to save the WAV render individual tracks, I get a DIFFERENT, OLDER ARRANGEMENT - the earlier version with different break points and a line omitted. I have done this four times now - each time the MIXED track is what I just created, but the individual tracks revert to an older arrangement that should have been long deleted. Deleted all the old material and the updated track is finally there - but still wrong, giving me the 'normal' rendings.
Ideas? Help?
The tracks are - 921 Bass, 1103 Guitar in the piano slot double-time but does not ever create sound,RD samba double-time, 1103 guitar dbl-time that DOES make sound, Drums2-percussion samba track (the Craig Scott tracks.)
Check your setup on this, when I loaded the original preset it puts the bass on channel 2 rather than 1.
Last edited by The Soundsmith; 05/05/19 03:27 PM.
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Would you mind posting a link to your SGU or MGU file for testing purposes? Having a file that exhibits the problem may help us to suggest solutions.
What year and build of Band-in-a-Box are you using? The build is displayed in the Help > About window.
Also, may I suggest contacting PG Music Technical Support. Your description reads as though you may have found a bug. If that is the case their likely will not be an instant resolution to the issue.
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This is definitely a bug. There ARE other issues (the cursor displays correctly but when you stop goes to the double-time and location (I think that's what it is doing-it is consistent and repeatable. I just updated everything - Realtrack wav update2019 WAVs and Build 628. Dell PC, 4G RAM kinda clunky but not THAT bad. I started with _SAMBAT style, but modified it several iterations: https://www.dropbox.com/s/td2uw3s1vratn31/Fools%20Rush%20In%20v2.SGU?dl=0And a demo ruf track in use - ignore the lack of chops, it's tired out and I'm late... https://www.dropbox.com/s/x51cua3faaj9gom/Fools%20Demo.mp3?dl=0Here is the SGU. Melody at 1/2 speed. rhythm double - the Courtial groove, if you remember that band... (Check my site if you don't,)
Last edited by The Soundsmith; 05/05/19 08:25 PM.
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I'm not sure if this is related, but if you save as a WAV file with the same name as the song, it will also open and play alongside the BiaB arrangement.
Perhaps check your song folder for a corresponding WAV (audio?) file with the same song name. If there is one, rename it and see if the issue continues.
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That could explain the earlier arrangement playing, but not not the other issues. Thanks for the idea.
The main issue is the tracks not staying double and frozen. I plan to use similar grooves for a lot of new material.
Any suggestions?
Last edited by The Soundsmith; 05/06/19 06:21 PM.
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I've found all kind of problems like this when working with double/half time tracks, specially when exporting / rendering the result.
You will soon learn to just use ONLY the most basic features of BIAB (write chords, select style and that's all) if you want to avoid frustration.
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Sorry, but I cannot restrict my writing and arranging based on bugs. If it's broke, fix it. If you can't, rewrite it from scratch. If I want kiddie limits, I'll use iReal Pro. But this is MUSIC, not wallpaper.
If need be, I can generate partial songs and combine outside, but even then, the parts need work. Maybe CREATE a set of tracks at the dou\bled tempos?
As someone who has coded for a living, there are understandable limits - I can't go over 120 bars without the double-time running out of the dataset limits (thanks, Atari...) but having tracks wander in and out like lost children doesn't work either. There are some other leaks. h well, on to tech support.
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And to add fuel, I did contact tech support they said two days, it's been a week. They don't know either, apparently...
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