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Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track #537475 05/20/19 04:04 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada LPman OP Journeyman
OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	I have been improvising on my piano Keyboard while using-midi cables to record my keyboard playing for years. 2 years ago I got a 2003 Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard. So I could play with drums and it's featured drum A+B fill-ins. Unfortunately the drums and piano keyboard notes ended up blended on the same midi track. I am using Fruity Loop Studio 12 with a USB Uno Midi Interface. The Fruity Loop Settings : Midi input /output device Set Song Marker = 9 Generator muting= 10 Toggle switch = on this will mask the drums, which will have to be added later. I have looked a long time for this solution, but found the solution on my own. I don't have a website to make a link of my screen shot so I put the screen shot image in my google drive in the link below: [img]https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HiY9EQN_9BSLJNGpX1OOrZo2sf-nkAoQ[/img] Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537514 05/21/19 04:17 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,773 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,773 Hamlin NY	I am not familiar with any of your hardware or software so I may be way off base here. It sounds like you are recording on the same MIDI channel and track. 1-Set FL up to record one track with MIDI channel one and using your keyboard to play your part with the keyboard sending out data one MIDI channel one. 2-Set another/different FL track to record using MIDI channel 10 and your keyboard sending out drum data on MIDI channel 10. In other words you must match your sending and receiving MIDI channels every time you record. I hope this helps and good luck.. Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track MarioD #537521 05/21/19 04:56 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	Originally Posted By: MarioD I am not familiar with any of your hardware or software so I may be way off base here. It sounds like you are recording on the same MIDI channel and track. 1-Set FL up to record one track with MIDI channel one and using your keyboard to play your part with the keyboard sending out data one MIDI channel one. 2-Set another/different FL track to record using MIDI channel 10 and your keyboard sending out drum data on MIDI channel 10. In other words you must match your sending and receiving MIDI channels every time you record. I hope this helps and good luck.. Hi MarioD I tried to look for a free or cheapest 16 midi track software recorder for my (Windows 7) computer. No Luck there. There was no vst (to find online) for my FL studio that would solve this record 16 midi channel problem. Some documentation I read said you can't record 16 midi channels on 16 midi tracks simultaneously. Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537546 05/21/19 06:16 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK Mike Head Expert
Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi. If saving your midi file Maybe you are saving your midi file as type 0 , that is all channels on one track. If you save as midi type 1 you will get each channel on a separate track. As a mater of interest BIAB puts all imported midi on the Melody track , with multi channels that is like type 0 . In Realband you get the option to import to separate tracks like type 1. This is still true if you import a type 0 midi, it will offer to split it apart to separate tracks. I don’t know but I suspect Fruity loops (FL Studio) will have this option as well. Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track Mike Head #537558 05/21/19 07:05 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	There is are no features on my piano keyboard to save a midi file. My piano keyboard only streams midi output / input manual psr 273-275 Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537563 05/21/19 07:39 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK Mike Head Expert
Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi Ok in that case you need to setup 16 midi tracks in fruity loops and set each track to its own channel. Normally I would send midi track I to channel one, 2 to 2 and so on, less chance of getting lost that way. Remember of course that in GM channel 10 will be reserved for Drums set sounds. Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track Mike Head #537566 05/21/19 07:53 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	Originally Posted By: Mike Head Hi Ok in that case you need to setup 16 midi tracks in fruity loops and set each track to its own channel. Normally I would send midi track I to channel one, 2 to 2 and so on, less chance of getting lost that way. Remember of course that in GM channel 10 will be reserved for Drums set sounds. Mike Thanks Mike I wish Could find some documentation to do that, or better a FLP file sample for FL studio 12 Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537584 05/21/19 01:18 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,773 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,773 Hamlin NY	Maybe this will help: https://www.musictech.net/tutorials/fl-studio-tutorial-midi-1/ Also google/bing MIDI recording in FL will bring up other tutorials. Mike and I are saying the same thing in that you have to set up the MIDI channels in both your keyboard and FL. Note that depending on your audio/MIDI interface you can record 16 or more channels simultaneously, but you would need that many different MIDI inputs and players! Have you tried my original suggestion? That is how I record MIDI, usually one track at a time. If JonD or BobH are here I can record two different MIDI track simultaneously. OR if you can split your keyboard into different zones then you can record 2 or more MIDI tracks with different channels simultaneously. Here is how record MIDI when I'm alone. Track 1 MIDI channel one I may put down a bass line. Track 2 MIDI channel one I might put down a piano line, etc. Note that because I am using totally different tracks and sounds I can use MIDI channel 1 again as the tracks will not interfere with each other. As Mike indicated MIDI channel 10 is reserved for drums. Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track MarioD #537589 05/21/19 02:07 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	Thanks Mike and Mario, I'll check that out Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537724 05/22/19 11:52 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca. jazzmammal Veteran
jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	I just checked the Yamaha manual and it does transmit 16 channels but I'll bet it's using Midi Type 0 meaning it imports initially onto one track in a sequencer. If you can't figure out how to make FL Studio separate the channels Real Band will. If you have any of the recent Biab packages you already have RB. When you import a Midi Type 0 file RB pops up a window asking if you want to split it out. Say yes. That's it. I'm continually surprised that so many folks never even look at RB. It's a pretty good 48 track audio/midi recording program and is easy to learn. It also opens up Biab files directly and can generate Biab tracks using the same styles Biab does. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537752 05/22/19 02:39 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	OK.... So the problem is the old 2003 Yamaha keyboard. It does not have a root, or any features to separate the channels it is sending. The drums also are not configured for Realband or Fruity Loops Studio which is a drag. Which means Yamaha didn't want their drums to follow regular midi/out mapping protocol I am improvising playing the Yamaha keyboard while touching drum fill-ins on the fly. That changes quite drastically playing music improvisation. The problem is not saving a midi file between Type 0 or Type 1 I have not found one video that shows even a more expensive keyboard playing improvisation while playing fill-in drum features that a computer can record the whole midi event! For my old Yamaha PSR-273 I am proudly stuck with my original solution. Thanks for all the replays. Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537754 05/22/19 02:52 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,169 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra... Teunis Expert
Teunis Expert Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,169 Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...	In the real early days of Yamaha keyboards and MIDI one had to remap the drums going to the Yamaha keyboard. Yamaha used channel 16 not channel 10 for drums. I don’t know if this could be a part of your issue but what I’m reading I doubt it. This is going back some time but it was an issue I used to have to deal with. Tony HP i7-4770 16GB 1TB SSD, Win 10 Home, Focusrite 2i2 3rd Gen, Launchkey 61, Maton CW80, Telecaster, Ovation Elite TX, Yamaha Pacifica 612 BB 2022(912) RB 2022(2), CakeWalk, Reaper 6, Audacity, Melodyne 5 Editor, Izotope Music Production Suite 4.1

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537759 05/22/19 03:46 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,121 Winston-Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,121 Winston-Salem, NC USA	This was copied from page 66 of the US edition of the Yamaha PSR-275/PSR-273 owner's manual: Quote: Each percussion voice uses one note. The MIDI Note # and Note are actually one octave lower than keyboard Note # and Note. For example, in “109: Standard Kit 1”, the “Seq Click H” (Note# 36/Note C1) corresponds to (Note# 24/Note C0). Based on the quote, try transposing the drum channel by +12. If that doesn't work try transposing by -12. +++ HERE +++ is a link to download the Yamaha owner manual. Pages 66 and 67 lists the drum sounds and what notes to play for each drum set. Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track Jim Fogle #537768 05/22/19 04:36 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle This was copied from page 66 of the US edition of the Yamaha PSR-275/PSR-273 owner's manual: Quote: Each percussion voice uses one note. The MIDI Note # and Note are actually one octave lower than keyboard Note # and Note. For example, in “109: Standard Kit 1”, the “Seq Click H” (Note# 36/Note C1) corresponds to (Note# 24/Note C0). Based on the quote, try transposing the drum channel by +12. If that doesn't work try transposing by -12. +++ HERE +++ is a link to download the Yamaha owner manual. Pages 66 and 67 lists the drum sounds and what notes to play for each drum set. Thank-you Jim Fogle Yes I went through manual,as well. And if I wanted my computer to send drum sounds or other instruments to the Yamaha keyboard, as if I was a live band of multiple players those 16 channels would be fine & dandy, and very helpful as a midi input to my Yamaha Keyboard from my computer. If I used my Yamaha keyboard for hand playing a drum kit for instance. It would send a midi output to the computer the velocity and notes to one channel. Fruity Loops studio was able mute the drum channel 10 I did look for midi channel monitor software to verify what was coming out of my Yamaha Keyboard... ------------------------------ MIDI-OX 7.0.2 (917K 17-JUN-10) Perhaps this will answer the question. Finally! ------------------------------ It is an old 2003 keyboard, perhaps not having the midi channels rooted towards a midi output for the computer; except channel 10 for the drums. Transposing the tone +12 or - 12 for drums would not help. Thanks for the suggestion Jim Fogle Last edited by LPman; 05/22/19 04:54 PM. Reason: found a midi monitor just now Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537776 05/22/19 05:44 PM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	OK... So I installed a midi monitor on my computer to test my Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard. All voices are on channel 1 Split keyboard feature channel 1+2 Dual features channel 1+2+3 Drum player channel 9+10 I went through all settings on the Yamaha keyboard ... No sending midi output changes Last edited by LPman; 05/23/19 08:00 AM. Reason: clearer sentences Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537826 05/23/19 02:14 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK Mike Head Expert
Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	Hi Quote “OK.... So the problem is the old 2003 Yamaha keyboard. It does not have a root, or any features to separate the channels it is sending.” This is quite normal the keyboard sends its midi in one single stream. It is up to the daw how it treats that data. You then need to set your daw / EG. Realband to 16 midi channels on 16 tracks as said before. Track 1 ch 1, track 2 ch 2 etc, each track will contain the mid data for the instrument voice (patch) sent on that channel. Sorry I cant make it any clearer. Mike Last edited by Mike Head; 05/23/19 02:21 AM. BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track Mike Head #537838 05/23/19 03:52 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,773 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 20,773 Hamlin NY	Mike is spot on so I will repeat, try this while in your DAW: MIDI track one - Enable record - choose a piano sound - play your keyboard in all voice mode, channel one, while recording in your DAW. Don't worry about timing or errors just record something. Disable record in this track. MIDI track two - Enable record - choose a bass sound - play your keyboard in all voice mode, channel one, while recording in your DAW. Don't worry about timing or errors just record something. Disable record in this track. Now in your DAW you should have two recorded MIDI tracks so when you play them back you should hear your piano and bass parts. If this doesn't happen post the MIDI files so we can take a look at them. Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537861 05/23/19 07:12 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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OP LPman Journeyman Joined: Apr 2014 Posts: 433 Montréal Quebec Canada	I found this in the PG-Forum ------------------------------ 13. How do I record multiple MIDI or Audio tracks simultaneously, or send different tracks to separate ports? If you are recording MIDI, RealBand will not record on multiple tracks, but you can record to one track and then use the Edit \| Extract Channels to Tracks command to split the track into multiple tracks. This works if there is multiple channel information in the MIDI Stream. Make sure you have each of the MIDI input ports you wish to use selected in the MIDI Driver Setup dialog -------------------------- So I was successful: with Realband Track 1 set to Midi channel1 Track 9 set to Midi channel9 Track 10 set to Midi channel10 I recorded on track 10 turning on the drum machine on the Yamaha Keyboard, while playing piano notes. Both drums and piano playing was placed on one midi track... I used the command: Extract channels to tracks... I got my piano playing on a separate midi track; plus two new drum midi tracks that were set to channel's 9 & 10 I reset the given new track from track 9 which was set to channel 9; that I reset to channel 10. (Note) The Yamaha drum machine player sends drum data on both channel 9 & 10 So when I played back the recorded midi drum tracks most of the drum sounds were correct. It was a good idea for me to download the midi monitor to see what channel's my Yamaha keyboard produced. The Extract midi channels to separate tracks was the feature solution that was missing. No ports needed adjusting All is well now.... Last edited by LPman; 05/23/19 07:52 AM. Reason: clearer sentences Tethered 2018- Band-in-a-Box 2018 Source Files

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #537976 05/24/19 03:05 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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Guitarhacker Veteran Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 9,323 Middlesex, NC	I see you got this fixed. Yep.... no need to comment other than to say, you learn something every time you run into a difficult problem like this. You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.com Add nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.

Re: Yamaha PSR-273 keyboard adds unwanted Drums to Midi Track LPman #538001 05/24/19 06:29 AM Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,687 Redondo Beach, Ca.	A common term for people learning and then finally understanding how midi works is midiot. Haha, I love that. We're all midiots... This stuff WILL drive you crazy and I'm happy you got it going because I feel your pain. I think all of us do because it's certainly not obvious at all. Going forward, if you like the idea of playing with an arranger keyboard consider moving up to a pro level one. I do mostly band gigging so I would rarely use an arranger on a gig but I've owned a Korg Pa1xPro for years and just picked up a used Pa3x. The current new one is the Pa4x Fantastic keyboard but too expensive for me. The newer Yamaha PSR S700 or 900 series is great and so is the newer Roland BK9. I'm cheap too so I never buy my toys new, everything is used and it takes patience to find a good deal but they always pop up. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

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