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Hi,
I completed my chord sequence RealBand 2017 and all worked fine but then I decided to change the tempo. As soon as I did this I got a yellow popup saying there was 7 files to convert. This was also accompanied by a progress meter to indicate the change of sample rate. The progress did not even get started and eventuality crashed.
Any help would be gratefully received.
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It sounds like you may have tracks in RB that are still set to act like BiaB tracks.
Maybe try the ol' right-click menu and 'Make all BB tracks regular tracks' option.
Just a hunch.
If you just finished the chord structure and are getting this error, it sounds like you have generated tracks in play.
If they were regular tracks I *think* you'd have gotten a separate pop up option on whether to time stretch any audio tracks.
My preference is usually to simply regenerate with the new tempo changes.
FWIW a "change of sample rate" message like you mention doesn't sound right at all unless RB is set to a sample rate other than 16/44, which is all BiaB uses.
Checking that the RB sample rate (in Options-Prefs-Audio) is set to 16/44 may also help, if that was indeed the message.
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Thank you for your reply.
I used to use BIAB but now I have tried simply using RB from the start. Having read what you said I started a new RB project and entered chords in the chordsheet. At this point I am able to change tempo as I please. The I generate the whole song (using BBtracks - first option). After this I try to change the sample rate and I git the progress bar - 'Converting Sample Rate) but is not responding and if I try to push it it simply crashes.
There is obviously something amiss here.
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Jonel
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Oh, you did give me a clue in your first response because sample rate could only apply to a RealTrack. I went to preferences and disallowed RealTracks and ReaDrums and generated the song as normal. Now I am able to change tempo as I please.
That just leaves the problem with RealTracks and RealDrums now!
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Glad it helped narrow it down.
My last sentence above; what sample rate is RB set to in prefs -Audio area?
Is it 16/44 or something else?
Also if you make all tracks Regular tracks then generate one at a time does the issue still occur?
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In the Audio File Type section it is set to 16/44.1 although my audio interface could work with 24/44.1. Could this be a problem? I know there are caveats in the book regarding 16 and 24 bit.
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No, BB is meant to run at 16/44. I was wondering if your system wasn't, but it appears it is.
Not sure what the issue could be now.
RB uses a BiaB executable for generating things. It didn't re-invent the wheel.
Like I said though, I rarely ever use the (blue label) BB tracks, and prefer to start out with all regular tracks.
Last edited by rharv; 08/25/19 03:11 AM.
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I would rather do that also but not sure how to achieve this. In any case, it doesn't seem to be the BB tracks that are the problem, only that if I allow RealDrums or RealTracks to be generated.
It's not such a great issue though, I can generate with RealTracks and RealDrums until I'm sure of the tempo I want, then I can generate the RealTracks and RealDrums.
If I need to change tempo after that the I can delete the RealTracks and do the same.
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I've been running at 16/48 for 10 years, doing tempo changes ,key changes and have never run into this.Maybe give us a step by step by step description of what you are doing.
Btw I never use the bb tracks. All songs are done with regular tracks. I don't use styles either. I add tracks one at a time.If you are using all RTs Styles are really of no use
As a tool I will use styles in biab to help me find narrow down what RT I like for a song I'm doing in RB. It helps wade through all the RTs.
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Hi,
Its is just a very basic use of RB
Preferences allow RealTracks and RealDrums
1. Enter a chord sequence in the chordsheet
2. Generate the song (first option with BB tracks)
This generates a RealDrums track, visible in Track View
3. Go back to the chord sheet
4. Change tempo
Now I get the popup window telling me that it is converting the sample rate (this is a progress bar that doesn't get started)
Results in crash
If I repeat the process after disabling RealTracks and RealDrums in preferences then there is no issue.
I used RB some years ago but have been involved with Ableton and have just gone to look at RB again.
Since you don't use BBtracks, how do you generate the entire song?
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If you are still playing with chords and tempos, it's much faster in BiaB. RB is meant to be used as an extension to BiaB (adding additional tracks and options). RB *can* act a lot like BiaB but it is much slower to generate all tracks, which may be the source problem for your original post. It takes 8-12 times longer for RB to regenerate all tracks in my experience, and sometimes it doesn't actually regenerate but try to adjust what you already have to the new tempo change (stretch audio or shrink it) and thus slows down. FWIW BiaB generates the beginning of all tracks and starts playing while still generating the rest of the song in the background, which is a much faster user experience. RB simply doesn't do it this way. They are not the same program. Use BiaB where appropriate and RB the same way. They each have their strengths. I guess to answer your question, Since you don't use BBtracks, how do you generate the entire song? I don't think Silvertones generates all tracks at once in RB, and I don't either. RB is more of a track-by-track software .. more like a traditional DAW. But retains some BiaB functionality, like if you need to generate or regenerate a new or additional track (or multiriffs). Again, they are separate programs and you should use them to your best advantage.
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You are correct Rharv. I do one track at a time however if I discover the tempo or key is wrong I just change it.If the key change is to far away I will then use"regenerate all tracks".If I've physically added with an instrument I have to re record if the pitch/tempo shift sounds funny.
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Thank you all very much for the information provided at has helped me a lot. I used to always use BIAB first and then move on to RB as that was how I learned to do it originally. After moving a way for a while with Ableton, I moved back to RB to look at the creation of RealTracks with the ease of simply entering the chord sequence.
However, it seems that my problem really began because I did begin with RB rather than BIAB.
After your suggestions I began the process but starting with BIAB and also generating RealDrum track, I found that there was no issue to changing the tempo.
When I imported the subsequent song into RB I was able to change the tempo and then regenerate the the RealDrum track. This is where it hung when the starting point was RB.
I would be interested to know that if you tried by basic RB procedure whether you got same result of the crash.
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Hi
Yes I tried this yesterday after reading your post.
Opened Real band, then:
I used a country style _ACCNTRY with realtracks but I do not allow real drums so I get Midi drums.
Entered 12 bars chord progression and copied with k for another 12 set song length to 24 bars.
Generated the whole song with top option
The tempo at this point was 85 the styles default.
Change tempo to 105 regenerated, pop up saying consolidating files
No prob now playing at 105
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But what happens if you allow RealDrums and then change the tempo?
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Far as I can tell the style he mentioned (_ACCNTRY) does use Realdrums.
At least it did when I generated with it.
HTH
I also had no problem using your method, but I am on RB 2019 .. though we'd likely noticed if it was an issue in 2017 previously.
Just not sure what to say since we can't seem to replicate the issue.
/Edited, had typo referencing RB2018 instead of 2019 ..
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Hi
Same style with real drums,
Yes still works fine changed tempo 3 times 120 85 105
Each time pop up says consolidating data ( yellow ) then notice on screen for sample rate change takes a few seconds then fine.
Mike
ps my version is 2019!
Last edited by Mike Head; 08/27/19 09:12 AM. Reason: ps added
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