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I'm just trying to catch up before it is too late. (Hell, maybe it's ALREADY too late. I'm 68). I'm 73, I don't want to hear it. It's never too late, it's all in your head, if you believe it then it's true. Or something like that. You obviously are 20 years out of date so forget all these suggestions and comments about how Real Band is slow, clunky whatever. You have no clue about any of this. I did a full album of music with my sister on vocals using RB. RB is free, works well enough and you don't know enough to have an opinion on anything at this point. There is nothing easy about DAW's for someone in your position. It's all new and confusing no matter which one you chose so you may as well work with what you've got. If you struggle with RB, can't get it to work, want to throw it out the window then maybe it IS too late for you because trust me, RB works fine. Other DAW's can be more elegant, look prettier, may do certain things faster (or not) but right now none of that matters. RB will do everything any other DAW will do. What's that you ask? It will record 48 tracks of audio or midi as well as any other DAW would. Other DAW's have unlimited tracks. Do you think you will be recording more than 48 tracks? I doubt it. It will sound just as good. It works with Biab files which no other DAW will unless you use the Biab plugin and you do NOT want to go there just yet. The plugin is way above your pay grade at this point. Just get familiar with RB then you'll have a starting point to begin talking specifics about one DAW vs another. Bob
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<< Remember 4-track analog recording? >>
Remember it and it's still the best option for any beginner.
<< I'd like some suggestions for some fairly good (and user friendly) home recording software. >>
Spend a day with a hardware recorder and you'll know it's software and every physical control in and out, through and through. You passed the learning curve 11 years ago. Modern hardware multi track recorders are as easy to operate as the multi tracks from 20-30 years ago. Units today are a lot more efficient, feature laden, editing is done digitally and the units have much higher specs than non digital multi tracks from the past. Modern digital units can be connected to a computer by USB providing easy transfer of BIAB generated tracks and also gives you access to more advanced editing of a DAW if desired or necessary.
A Hardware recorder's durability, stability and lifespan is decades better than any DAW.
A Hardware recorder purchased used within your desired price range can provide you 4 - 8 simultaneous inputs.
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I'm just trying to catch up before it is too late. (Hell, maybe it's ALREADY too late. I'm 68). ........ There is nothing easy about DAW's for someone in your position. It's all new and confusing no matter which one you chose so you may as well work with what you've got. If you struggle with RB, can't get it to work, want to throw it out the window then maybe it IS too late for you because trust me, RB works fine. Other DAW's can be more elegant, look prettier, may do certain things faster (or not) but right now none of that matters. RB will do everything any other DAW will do. What's that you ask? It will record 48 tracks of audio or midi as well as any other DAW would. Other DAW's have unlimited tracks. Do you think you will be recording more than 48 tracks? I doubt it. It will sound just as good. It works with Biab files which no other DAW will unless you use the Biab plugin and you do NOT want to go there just yet. The plugin is way above your pay grade at this point. Just get familiar with RB then you'll have a starting point to begin talking specifics about one DAW vs another. Bob Harsh, but a fair assessment. Yes indeed.... any DAW is going to be a steep learning curve. And.... as has been pointed out, some of those have steeper learning curves than others..... however, if you have BiaB you also have a DAW in Real Band. It is a fairly basic, but useful DAW for someone starting out. I use Sonar because I have been using it for a very long time and know it. My learning curve with Sonar was quite an adventure in frustration at times.... more times than I can count. Dig in to Real Band and learn how to use it. I think you will find it quite capable of most of the things you want to use it for. As you learn how to use it, and if you encounter any real roadblocks to your work flow....at THAT time, and not before, you will have the knowledge you need to find and choose a DAW that does exactly what you want. Carry on and press RECORD. EDIT: When you start using RB, be sure to use the tutorials and help provided by PG. And when you have a question or encounter a problem doing something, there is always the REAL BAND forum where other users will come to your aid and provide you with advice and guidance on how it works.
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You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Sorry to have given the impression that I am a total NEOPHYTE! I'm not. I have actually recorded BIAB/RealBand stuff previously and actually figured out how to save the stuff and convert it to MP3. (Or was it MP4?) Yay!! My PC is currently in the shop. Motherboard problem. But that stuff was done a few YEARS ago and I have forgotten most everything and am, thanks to the memory cells, almost literally starting over from the beginning.  Here are some things I did with BIAB/RealBand (not hard to figure out which ones weren't) and, hell, some of it isn't that bad. (Won't be hard to figure out why I asked about Pitch Correct. Darn vocals.) https://soundcloud.com/kiddcarvinThis one ain't too bad. "Fine Fine Fine - Status Quo (work in progress)" (Thankfully I didn't add the vocals. Planned on it. Again, thus the question about pitch correct.) I actually have a bunch of others I did with BIAB/RealBand for karaoke purposes but didn't upload to SoundCloud. And I'm serious about the memory issue. Heck, I don't know if I did the recordings with BIAB or RealBand. Or both. I guess that is why I said I was a beginner. Again, not a total neophyte. Reading the replies, and thinking about what I have actually done in the past, I might just stick with BIAB/RealBand. Maybe all I need to do is refresh my memory on the stuff then find something to help with them vocals. It doesn't have to be PRO quality anyhow. Just good enough to get some ideas and songs out there. cheers
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I suspect you'll go from BIAB through Realband and on to Reaper. Maybe only using Realband for a couple of things. I have to agree that many things are more intuitive and easier in Reaper and it's rock solid. To start with just work with BIAB and get your money's worth out of that. Once you really know BIAB, you'll see some cool bits and bobs in Realband (although Multiriffs etc are now in BIAB.) Then Reaper and the VST world are likely to appeal. Finally, you can get some iZotope mixing and mastering software although it's a bit expensive. If you want to work live and are worried about pitch, you could do worse than look at TC Electronic hardware. Lot's of their products have built in pitch correction and harmonies etc.
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With what you already know about multi track recording, you should take a look at this Tascam DP03SD Multitrack Recorder . You can easily import BIAB instrument tracks (midi or RealTracks) into the unit and add your original parts to the backing tracks. It really is as easy as the old cassette Porta Studios. The 44.1/16 CD quality matches the BIAB exported tracks. It has editing features, Punch in/out, with Onboard DSP Effects and Processing. You can literally create a CD from start to finish without a computer for anything other than generating/rendering your BIAB tracks. You are not limited to only 8 tracks because it can bounce tracks. It has a quality mastering features that is the same as used on the higher cost DP24/32 series hard disk multi tracks and there has recently been a substantial price drop making this fairly close to the price you're looking at. I'm positive you can produce higher quality recordings straight out of the box with this unit (or the less expensive DP008 or DP006) than you will get using any DAW you are unfamiliar with it's operations. With the price drop, it's also worth the price difference. Don't be fooled by it's appearance. It's not a toy.
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Wow, an actually PHYSICAL PRODUCT!!  Thanks for that. And I think that is just what I'll do. Hell, I just sold my Boss ME-80 because, MAINLY, I really didn't want to do the reading to learn how to do it all after not using it for a year or two!! I'll just use my tc electronic "DARK MATTER" pedal and be done with the stuff. (A delay pedal would be nice though). So I just dug out my old "MARANTZ PORTABLE CASSETTE RECORDER PMD101" and had a chuckle. I used to try learning guitar solos with that with my cassettes. TRULY OBSOLETE!! But thye thing is that I really don't enjoy doing everything on the damn computer! click, click click as nauseam. Anyhow, I think your suggestion is the best of both worlds! Thanks, I'm gonna get it.  cheers
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Another "PHYSICAL PRODUCT"! 
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<< So, Charlie, would I also be able to get a vocal enhancement plugin and use it with BIAB/RealBand and/or the Tascam? >>
Yes for both. BIAB and RB work with most VST's plus you have hardware choices and can also use hardware or software vocal enhancement and pitch correction with the Tascam or any other hardware recorder easily with the ones that have aux sends and returns. You can use hardware/software with the one's that don't as well, it's just a bit more involved with the routing.
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not sure about the negatives for RealBand. It integrates with BIAB perfectly and I've never found anything I couldn't do. it's free if you have BIAB and unless you are a power user i can't see the point in mastering another piece of software. RB is a good way to start and only when you find you are frustrated that it won't do something you want is it time to look for another DAW.
for the average home recorder like me creating BIAB tracks, editing them, generating solos, and then recording vocals and my own instruments both as midi from a keyboard (with access to soundfonts, HIGH Q patches and third party fx incl 64 bit using jbridge) and live from a guitar DI'd and edited with amplitube what do forumites think i am missing (and therefore so would the OP) by just sticking to RealBAnd?
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