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#551294 - 08/26/19 08:55 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box
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hallo liebe User,
ist es in BIAB möglich, eine Melodie z.B. im 5/4 Takt zu schreiben, ohne das die störenden Violinschlüssel nach dem 3 Viertel auftauchen?

Danke für die Info

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#551454 - 08/27/19 03:23 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Fred_100]
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Brille Offline
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Hallo Fred.
Leider ist es mit Band in a Box nicht möglich, z.B. 5/4 Takte anders einzugeben als einen 3/4 und einen 2/4 Takt hintereinander. Das gilt auch für andere krummzahlige Takte. Diese werden immer aus Kombinationen von 1/4- bis 4/4-Takten aufgebaut und angezeigt.
Es ist ein schon lang geäußerter Wunsch, das auch mit korrekter Notation zu ermöglichen.
Es werden also die Taktangaben bei jedem Taktwechsel angezeigt, allerdings nicht die Schlüssel. Ist das tatsächlich bei dir so, dass auch der Schlüssel immer neu auftaucht?
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#551634 - 08/28/19 07:17 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Fred_100]
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Hallo Brille,

Nein ich habe mich verschrieben, es tauchen die Taktarten auf.
Danke für deine Info, man kann nur hoffen, daß das Problem behoben wird

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#551762 - 08/29/19 03:38 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Fred_100]
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Hallo Fred

mach es doch auf die einfache art.
Lade einfach Take Five und ändere die Accorde.

Liebe Grüsse

Renato smile

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#552369 - 09/01/19 08:20 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Fred_100]
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Meine Deutsche sprache ist nicht so gut, aber sie reden von etwas das ich ebenso erfahrte.

Biab kann genau notieren was gespiellt werd (midi input z.b.). Die wiedergabe is gut aber es ist nicht möglich um zu quantizen, Biab kann kein 5/4 erkennen.

Also, ich mache ein Styl in 5/4 in ein Midi programm und ich schränke die midi so das es in einen 4/4 passt. Die erste beat is die erste Beat von ein 5/4.

Nun kan ich in 5/4 spielen in Biab. Nicht einfach, aber...

Auf mein website können sie hören wie ich das versuche. Sie können beispiele hören hier:
https://www.jazzstylezz.com/shop (Select odd meter)
Schwer zu lesen (melodie, z.b.) aber wenn du denkt in 5/4 klingt es genau 5/4.
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#552473 - 09/02/19 02:09 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Fred_100]
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Hello Dzjang.
I have now heard for the first time about your styles, which I have looked at right away on your website. Very good work, I will surely buy one or the other style and try it out.
Is it possible to buy all styles as a bundle for a special price?
Especially the bass lines are sounding very inspiring - what do you think about developing Soloists-Styles für Double Bass?

Ich habe zum ersten Mal von deinen Styles gehört, die ich mir gleich mal auf Deiner Webseite angesehen habe. Sehr gute Arbeit, ich werde sicher mal den einen oder anderen Style kaufen und ausprobieren. Kann man auch alle Styles als günstiges Paket kaufen? Ich bin neugierig, ob du nicht auch Kontrabass-Soloisten-Styles entwickeln möchtest, weil Band in a Box da nur wenig im Angebot hat?
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#552569 - 09/02/19 12:02 PM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Brille]
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Cool, thx.

Yes, there are no bass soloists, which is really too bad.
I especially dig Christian McBride, Rueben Rogers, Dave Holland and -not cool, maybe, but still- Gary Peacock.

For the moment habe ich keine ahnung how those soloists are put together.

I will look into it.

I’m working towards bundles of 10 styles. But it will take me some time (weeks, maybe). I thought:

Ecm bundle
Bread and Butter Bundle (modern versions of styles ranging from ballad to fast bop and some latin and 3/4)
Odd meters bundle (5/4 to 13/8)
Ballad bundle
Modern Bossa bundle
Medium tempo bundle (mix of modern even and swing styles)
Modal bundle
Fast bop bundle

Hope to get it ready and running by end of october

Thx a lot
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Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums.
Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
https://soundcloud.com/jazzstylezz/tracks

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#552667 - 09/03/19 12:56 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Dzjang]
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Brille Offline
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Hallo Dzjang,
In welcher Sprache schreibt man dich denn am besten an, du bist ja hier in deutschen Forum? Where are you located, just to choose the right language, is it Belgium?
And yes, Reuben Rogers is a fantastic soloist, also Brian Bromberg.
Brille
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#552825 - 09/04/19 06:44 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Dzjang]
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Thank you for your info, I like your 5/4 style, but my problem is:
I want to write notes in 5/4-time in the score editor. BIAB makes a 3/4 and 2/4 time signature every beat alternating. The musical notation becomes illegible.
Maybe you can write to the developer, so that this problem is finally resolved.
Thx a lot

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#552827 - 09/04/19 06:54 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Fred_100]
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Hallo Fred,
das Problem ist leider ungefähr so alt, wie Band in a Box selbst und bereits häufig als Wunsch an die Entwickler formuliert worden. Dazu sind aber wohl große Umbauten in der Programmstruktur notwendig – auch um die Auf- und Abwärtskompatibilität zu wahren, die ja eine der großen Stärken von BiaB ist. Du kannst mit der aktuellen Programmversion auch 20 Jahre alte Songdateien öffnen und genauso mit älteren Programmversionen aktuelle Songfiles.
PG Music verweist stets darauf, dass BiaB kein Notensatzprogramm ersetzt. Aber du hast recht, es wäre großartig, würde das mal ordentlich funktionieren.
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#554236 - 09/11/19 10:14 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Fred_100]
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Hey Brille and Fred,

Quote:
I understand and read German, but I can not write it. It’s been more than thirty years since I left high school and had German for 2 years, 2 hours per week. I managed to forget all about the writing, but can still enjoy reading and listening to German language,
I used to dig a live jazz program where a funny bearded bass player addressed us with: Guten Abend Liebe Jazz-Freunde, smile

The problem with odd meters and Biab not being able to write them is not the only problem with Biab.

Biab is tone-deaf! Read my post https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=77508&Number=546844#Post546844

Sad, isn’t it?
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Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums.
Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
https://soundcloud.com/jazzstylezz/tracks

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#554395 - 09/12/19 03:35 AM [Deutsches Band-in-a-Box User Forum] Re: 5/4 Takt im Band in a Box [Re: Dzjang]
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Brille Offline
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Hallo Dzjang.
Ich möchte mal eine Lanze für PG-Music brechen:
Peter Gannon hat vor über 20 Jahren begonnen, ein Programm zu entwickeln, das es ihm erlaubt, sich zum Üben eine Begleitband aus dem Computer zu zaubern. Es gab damals kein Programm, dass so etwas möglich machte.
Hinter PGMusic steckt kein großes Softwareunternehmen. Die technische Entwicklung und Weiterentwicklung liegt in den Händen einiger weniger Programmierer (und Musiker).
Band in a Box ist ein Nischenprogramm - anders als z.B. Word oder Photoshop, deren große Verbreitung auch große Programmierteams mit dem entsprechenden Overhead erlauben.
Im Forum werden häufiger große Erwartungen an die Software und deren Funktionen formuliert – teilweise auch in etwas ungehaltenem Ton - "Warum kann das Programm dies nicht? Warum macht es jenes nicht so, wie ich es möchte?".
Du kannst sicher sein, das PG Music-Team liest alle Hinweise und Vorschläge und wenn möglich, werden Fehler behoben oder Funktionen ergänzt – mitunter deutlich schneller, als bei "großen" Softwarehäusern.
Aber nicht alles lässt sich kurzfristig umsetzen - das liegt auch in der Entwicklungsgeschichte des Programmes begründet und der notwendigen und zweckmäßigen Rückwärtskompatibilität zu alten Songdateien.
Insgesamt hat das Programm trotz aller Einschränkungen für mich als Musiker einen sehr großen Nutzwert und ich möchte es nicht missen.
Und es hat auch eine sehr aktive Community - die, wie du es ja mit deinen (übrigens sehr empfehlenswerten!) Style-Dateien auch tust – rege die Weiterentwicklung des Programms unterstützen.
Also: Du hast Recht, auch ich habe eine lange Wunschliste, was das Programm noch so alles können soll. Aber ich bin trotzallem auch sehr zufrieden mit dem, was es bereits kann.
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