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Hi Bob
You miss understood yes I can set the first 5 tracks as default synth and it will play the thru voice if I make Track specific my preference
I realise that I could change any one of these to specific synth, and that would also play thru the specific voice, as you say this is normal.
Yes I did mean track 6 for my Kontakt track. Which was an empty track till now.
This gets its voice inside Kontakt from the Kontakt library instrument.
But the play thru voice you get is from the Realband track info, not the inserted internal Kontakt one on that track. You can make it sound the same if you have a similar midi patch in you synth by selecting it.
But the whole point of using Kontakt is to get voices I don’t have in my synth.
This is why as I explained to hear the actual voice in Kontakt as a play thru you have to not Route all midi to your vst dxi
Also explained is that after doing this to hear your other vst dxi including what was your default you have to insert individual instances of them on the tracks that use them (the first 5) in this case.
My main purpose for doing all this is to hear the play thru voice of the instrument I am using, as it may be a Kontakt instrument like Requiem light singing Latin Vowels played by a midi keyboard,
Hope this clears it up.
Please note
QUOTE From Kent PG music in response to an earlier link to my post on Realband
"Re: midi controller recording issue with Realband
Hi Mike,
Right, the "Track Specific" setting applies to the MIDI channel and patch you've assigned to the track, but not the plugin.
The tip in your longer post about unchecking "Reroute MIDI playback to default DXi/VSTi Synth", and manually assigning each track to a synth is the ticket to using a specific synth applied to a track for MIDI Thru.
Thanks for that tip, I'll add that workaround to my bug report in case this comes up again.
Thanks
Kent
PG Music
"
I rest my case.
Mike
Last edited by Mike Head; 09/24/19 04:56 AM.
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I'm not disputing that point Mike, what I'm saying is that whole section of your post is very confusing that's all. All it needs to say is this:
"If you're using a midi controller to play a VST plugin live, uncheck the Default Synth."
I'm basically being a book editor here, just trying to keep things simple for users who don't understand all this.
Bob
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Mike was correct when he specified Options / preferences / midi /midi thru / set track specific because that is when you devolve the routing to the track that is selected. You would have been correct if Mike had specified selecting the global setting.
If a VST is now added (not Kontakt) to one of the tracks then Port 17+ takes over. With this track selected we will still get 'thru' routed correctly with all the other tracks being routed to the default VST.
If Kontakt is added there are sometimes issues and sometimes not.
For example, if I insert Kontakt and use a Strings or Brass instrument then it works just fine in the way that built-in VSTs works. However, if I use an instrument like Electric Sunburst Guitar then it definitely will not work. Only when Omni is selected on Kontakt and the routing in Midi Preferences is unswitched can I get this too work. I have had this problem lots of times in the past and I'm still not entirely sure why this happens.
But, as you say, other than these issues I've had with Kontakt, the configuration is quite simple.
There is one other problem I have faced in Midi Preferences for 'Thru'. If 'Global' is selected then the parameters in the box for Port and Channel become valid (which is what you were alluding to with regard to 'Thru'. I wanted to test this out with my Kontakt instrument. I noted that my instrument was allocated Port 17 and Channel 1. So, I tried to set Port 17 and Channel 1 in this box, assuming that this would be the instrument that would play from my midi controller. But, shock horror, I cannot set any port number above 16! So there does not seem to be any way of allowing this configuration.
Jonel
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Hi
Thank you both for your interest and support.
There are 3 things to consider hence my description.
To hear your keyboard playing the voice or synth set for a track. Be it the default or a plug in
1: Set thru to track specific in options / preferences / midi / midi thru.
2: If you are using a default midi synth in midi setting under the midi device icon
That is tick in the box reroute midi to DXI/ VST if using one.
That is all you need.
3: If you have another midi synth as a plug in on an other track to hear its voice as the thru voice you must take out the tick above. And then insert separate instances of what was your default synth to any tracks that required it.
This is all to do with port allocation and what Realband treats as the thru voice.
There is more about ports in my original post.
Have fun
Mike
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