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#557108 - 09/30/19 04:32 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ?
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It says in the dialog box: "BB will output chords in root position...."

Is it possible to create a midi file with chords in root position? If so, where do I find it that file?

What I need is a 'midi chord track' for use in my DAW.



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#557126 - 09/30/19 07:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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Originally Posted By: megamads
It says in the dialog box: "BB will output chords in root position...."

Is it possible to create a midi file with chords in root position? If so, where do I find it that file?

What I need is a 'midi chord track' for use in my DAW.



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Yes, that "midi chord track" is great for driving VSTs which are looking for the chords to set their playback.

You start here by placing a checkbox in the "output chords" options.


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#557128 - 09/30/19 07:04 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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But where do I find the midi file...?
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#557130 - 09/30/19 07:07 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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Ya, I knew that would be the next question. Let me get a picture for you...

Disclaimer... I have not done this in a while, but in the past did this a lot. So it does work, but I recall it can be tricky at times. Look close at the options in the menu. See picture below. Let us know how it works for you...


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#557131 - 09/30/19 07:10 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: MusicStudent]
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I can't wait..... :-)
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#557136 - 09/30/19 07:42 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: MusicStudent]
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The midi file is surely exported but I get no file with chords in root position...???
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#557138 - 09/30/19 07:53 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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When I go to pianos in the mixer the chords are shown in root position under "soloist" during playback.

Now I just need to make a midi file out of the notes being showed....
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#557143 - 09/30/19 08:38 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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Remember my disclaimer... this can be tricky. Here are first four bars in triad root position... BIAB writes all the tracks to midi. You have to open in an editor and selected the "BIAB Chords" single track. Than delete all the others.


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#557145 - 09/30/19 08:46 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: MusicStudent]
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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent

Yes, that "midi chord track" is great for driving VSTs which are looking for the chords to set their playback.

You start here by placing a checkbox in the "output chords" options.


Change the 40 to 0 to write the midi exactly to the count
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#557146 - 09/30/19 08:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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I did what you said and the tracks came out separately. The 'strings' track seems to have chords but not in root position as they are played during playback.

The BB Chord Output has got some weird notes in it.....?


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#557148 - 09/30/19 08:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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I did what you said and the tracks came out separately. The 'strings' track seems to have chords but not in root position as they are played during playback.

The BB Chord Output has got some weird notes in it.....?


Yes, you want the "BB Chord Output", glad you see that.

Weird notes? Ya got to love BIAB. So, you are close. Adjust all options in chord output and in midi export to simplify the track. Assuming this works (remember you are on the MAC and I am on a PC) you should get it with a little more effort.
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#557153 - 09/30/19 09:57 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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Sorry Dan

I cannot make it work.
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#557154 - 09/30/19 10:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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I would be glad to video the whole process, but first we might need a Mac guy to weigh in. Is this a new feature to the Mac or has it been around for a while?
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#557156 - 09/30/19 10:03 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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I really don't know.....
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#557157 - 09/30/19 10:44 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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While we wait to see what is wrong with your Output-Chords.

Here is a old work around (so many of these in biab). Put this style on your chord chart. This will create a midi track with just a piano. These chords may be triads from the root. But will be a simple non embellished single chord midi track which you can drag and drop from BIAB to your DAW. It may be what you can use.

PNOSIMP4.STY. Simple Solo Piano 4/4 Style
All MIDI. Duo. Tempo=120 (60-180)
Instruments: M-Ac.Piano
Memo: This style will emulate simple Solo Piano playing in 4/4 tempo. Tempo range 50-200 -Examples: Wedding March, and most tunes in 4/4, Genre "Intensity" Score=30/100
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#557176 - 09/30/19 01:36 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: MusicStudent]
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This is great, but do I have to use the "Simple Solo Piano 4/4 Style"? Can't I use that 'piano' in another style or...???
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#557184 - 09/30/19 03:06 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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Originally Posted By: megamads
This is great, but do I have to use the "Simple Solo Piano 4/4 Style"? Can't I use that 'piano' in another style or...???


Well in theory, yes, you can just insert the single piano track from the PNOSIMP4.STY Simple Solo Piano 4/4 Style into your current style and then you will have a piano playing just the chord (presumably root position) with no embellishment.

But that is currently a problem under discussion over here:

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=555896#Post555896

I didn't what to jump from one feature which is not working to another which is not working. I don't know your background with BIAB and did not want to discourage you. crazy But go ahead and give it a try. Someone will come along and determine if the Output chords is working or not in the Mac version.
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#557635 - 10/03/19 04:10 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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This is a very important feature in my workflow. I use it frequently to isolate a single simple midi track of the BIAB chord sheet with no embellishment to drive a number of Kontack VSTs. Using it now with the new session guitarists picked acoustic. Works well in the PC version of BIAB (although a bit tricky).

Which is why I am surprised this has not been resolved and is getting so little attention here in Mac Land. We have not seen one users other than the OP who is weighing in on if this works or not.

Megamads, if you are still troubled I can make a video of each button pushed on my PC version to generate the simple midi track in my DAW this weekend. It will be the PC version, but you may see something which could help. Just let me know.

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#557662 - 10/03/19 10:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: MusicStudent]
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Hi Dan

The problem is not resolved yet.

I would love to see a video of what you do on your PC.

Thanks

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#557801 - 10/04/19 04:35 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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Hi,

Setting 'Output chords to external device' to true seems to be working OK for playback, but you're right it doesn't seem to write the chords properly a MIDI file. We probably need to revisit this, as it hasn't been updated for a long time. Either way I think there is a better way to do what you want, just by having a style play the simple root position chords.

Here are two styles, CHORDS4.sty (4/4) and CHORDS3.sty (3/4). Unzip this file and put the styles in your Styles folder.
https://nn.pgmusic.com/pgfiles/support/misc/chords.sty.zip

After you do that, rebuild the StylePicker (Slow rebuild so that it picks up these styles which are not in the PG database yet)

There are two approaches you could take.

(1) When you want a MIDI file with the chords, simply load in the style chords4.sty (or chords3.sty if you're song is in 3/4), generate, and save as a MIDI file. The way I suggest that you save as a MIDI file is by dragging the Piano track to the "MID" quadrant of the Drop panel:



Then drag from there to Finder (desktop or wherever).

(2) Or you could add the Piano track of the style (where the chords are played) as a custom MIDI track to your current song, although that's more complicated. Let's say you wanted to insert it into the Soloist track:

1. Right-click on the Soloist track and 'Select Custom MIDI style'
2. Click [Choose style with this instrument] (any patch)
3. Type 'chords4' in the StylePicker filter to find it quickly and OK.
4. Set "From Track" to Piano, Press OK.
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#557840 - 10/05/19 05:10 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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I too had been trying to use the chord output to midi feature on Mac to import into Cubase for use with Cubase Chord track - with no success, there is no chord track present when importing to Cubase. In Logic Pro X there is a chord track but also get weird notes, so not usable. Also found a workaround via creating a piano midi track, but not as elegant as having the BIAB chord output to MIDI feature - so great if this can get looked at / fixed.

But can also confirm it works for playback on Mac - but not MIDI.


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#557845 - 10/05/19 05:54 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: ColinMc1]
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#558571 - 10/10/19 10:04 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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Megamads wrote...
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#558813 - 10/11/19 02:20 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: nonchai]
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Yea there was a bug in writing the Mac version BB Chord Output track I posted in the beta forum.

Biab, RealBand, BB Plugin Chords & Tracks into Cubase Reaper Studio One Win/Mac

If you have the Biab Plugin in Cubase you can generate up any Held chord midi track drag it into Cubase and it will create the chord track from it.

I will get around to making a script to get the chords from the Biab Plugin into Cubase.


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#558869 - 10/12/19 01:45 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: "Output Chords?" and "Write track to MIDI file" ? [Re: megamads]
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That would be great / appreciated Pipeline


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...PG Music has gone deeper into several styles, using more or fewer instruments, adding unexpected ones, and giving some surprising make-overs. Others are more focused versions of particular styles with more extreme attention to the best of that genre. Other ones combine styles that sound great, such as adding a banjo to a rock or blues track, or a jazz sax to a folk style. There are many wonderful combinations to try out that will expand any songwriter or arranger’s palette. These are the things that make certain songs stand out, and experimenting with them is not just fun (a lot of fun!) but it will expand your horizons on what is possible and even excellent. For instance, my light jazz arrangement worked very well as a country song, which floored me, and also as a folk-alt-jazz fusion. One sax solo was worth the price of admission alone, as it sounds terrific in any of the arrangements.
-"Dr. Dave" Walker

Again we say, "Thank you for the review Dr. Dave!" - we really enjoyed reading this enthusiastic review!

The Band-in-a-Box® Panic "Button"

Today is International Panic Day... did you know that Band-in-a-Box® has a "Panic Button"?

What does it do?

Accessible from the Play Menu (or by selecting F12), you would choose this if your MIDI notes are stuck ON and it’s driving you crazy! Also within the Band-in-a-Box® Play Menu is the "Panic should also Reset DXi synth" option, which will clear hung DXi/VSTi notes.

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