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Misha kindly wrote the melody, sang the vocal, provided numerous excellent observations and mixing tips as well as preparing the Morse. This is a mix almost ready for mastering but needs your ears for any suggestions, perspectives etc. The BIAB components of this track are the drums (some EQing as usual) and flute (some odd note choices but that's life). Guitars are a Squire Mustang and Bruno Royal Artist through a compressor, GDI21 and spring reverb pedal. Fender 12 string acoustic through a AT2020 mic. Vantage & Hofner knock off Basses through a comp pedal and BDI21. Squire Mustang into Mel9 choirs, strings & orchestra through comp pedal, GDI21 tweed settings and spring reverb pedal. Mellotron string section tape wave files cut & pasted for high drones. Non Reaper native plug ins are the readily available freebies of Density MkII and PSP Vintage Warmer 2. https://soundcloud.com/rayc/games-none-can-play-pygmy-beat-extended-featuring-xabarovskiy-kraiHere's a mix with more bottom end and the vocals raised half a dB. I've applied the suggestions - I'm not sure the bottom end needed it but I've given it a go. Vocal levels are a matter of taste but, again, I've done as suggested. I do listen! Is it better for the changes? https://soundcloud.com/rayc/games-none-can-play-b-pygmy-beat-extended-feat-mishaHere's another bash - more flute reverb, more level from the drums and by popular demand, more vocal level... https://soundcloud.com/rayc/games-none-can-play-revisionNEW MIX - I was unhappy with the way the BIAB solos didn't match the feel, (or chords), of the song so made a very basic but closer to my idea. https://soundcloud.com/rayc/23octaugnewsologdGames None Can Play Death of a word None has said Condemned man’s plea Last meal fed Bottled tears Brothel queens Finding love In magazines Pornographic Valentines Games none Can play Bleeding jester’s Morbid mirth Death triumphant At birth Borrowed words Little worth Games none Can play Tissue lies Truths untold Signs of longing Love gone cold Litany denial Lies long written No comfort Once smitten. Bleeding jester’s Morbid mirth Death triumphant At birth Borrowed words Little worth Games none Can play Newborn, stillborn Bleeding heart Morning: evening’s Dying art In these we Play no part Games none Can play Newborn, stillborn Bleeding heart Morning: evening’s Dying art In these we Play no part Games none Can play Bottled tears Brothel queens Finding love In magazines Pornographic Valentines Games none Can play Close a sentence Diagnosed in dark Comes an end Punctuation mark Cut open morning Tear into the light Before it reveals Swollen appetite Death of a word None has said Condemned man’s plea Last meal fed Act of contrition Sinners long gone Words without meaning Can’t be undone Your suggestions, observations and recommendations will be gladly received.
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I enjoyed the production. First time I've heard a song with Misha singing so that is a treat. To my ears his vocal is buried in the mix just a little bit, the drums are a little loud in places and the low end is a little light. I love the dual guitar tracks and the flute solo. The morse code at the end is a nice touch.
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Wow! What a great groove! The stereo image is brilliant! A great write. I would love the here the wonderful vocals up just a bit. A super mix and engaging song all around!
Great song!!!
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Ray,
Excellent backing - I agree the vocals could come up in the mix. Not too keen on the flute - the note choices were indeed a touch odd especially the end part.
Like all the guitar parts and the bass.
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I enjoyed the production. First time I've heard a song with Misha singing so that is a treat. To my ears his vocal is buried in the mix just a little bit, the drums are a little loud in places and the low end is a little light. I love the dual guitar tracks and the flute solo. The morse code at the end is a nice touch. Jim, Thanks. If you've not heard the man sing prior to this do pull up his posts. he's sung a dozen or so in the last 18 months and his singing, particularly on his own songs - where he has the freedom to express & create - he does superb work. I've tweaked according to your comments. See the OP.
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Wow! What a great groove! The stereo image is brilliant! A great write. I would love the here the wonderful vocals up just a bit. A super mix and engaging song all around!
Great song!!! Thanks Gruverider, The song started with the two electric guitars and they, naturally with the spring reverb, gave a sense of a wide image so I went with it. Vox raised a tad as requested.
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Ray,
Excellent backing - I agree the vocals could come up in the mix. Not too keen on the flute - the note choices were indeed a touch odd especially the end part.
Like all the guitar parts and the bass.
Peter Peter, Thank you sir. Vocals lifted a little. The flute - well ALL the BIAB solos I tried to be honest - were a bit suspect. The program kept fooling with the chords and complaining there was too high a percentage of complex chords (D, Dm, F#m, E, G6 F#7 and Fmaj7 aren't exactly complex in my book - mostly just movement of the same shape or minor variations), so I gave up and went with the least awful. I did try to retune some notes with ReaTune but the results were awful.
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Ray/Misha,
A cool song. Awesome overall sound.
(I listened to the second link).
The guitars sound great.
I like the flute (thought it could use more reverb).
I think the vocal still needs to "come out" some. the "big reverb/delay sound is good - just needs to be louder - it sounds (here) like the singer is behind the band.
Always a personal choice, I would mix the drums louder.
Really like the song!
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Very clever lyrics, all wrapped up in a really dynamic groove.
Vibrant and powerful, with perfectly fitting dischordancy.
Thoroughly enjoyed this.
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loved the style of this song Eighties feel!!.
The lyrics are magical mystery themed.
The vocals definitely need to come up more .
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Ray/Misha,
(I listened to the second link).
The guitars sound great.
I like the flute (thought it could use more reverb).
I think the vocal still needs to "come out" some...it sounds (here) like the singer is behind the band.
I would mix the drums louder.
fj Thanks fj, That's the sort of detail I can work with - I'll try those tweaks this afternoon and post the revision.
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Very clever lyrics, all wrapped up in a really dynamic groove.
Vibrant and powerful, with perfectly fitting dischordancy.
Thoroughly enjoyed this. I'm in accordance with the dischordance - thanks.
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loved the style of this song Eighties feel!!.
The lyrics are magical mystery themed.
The vocals definitely need to come up more .
Thanks Hmm, the 80s - that could be interpreted in a squillion ways. I'll take it as a good things. More vox? OK, I'll try.
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Man, this one begs for a cool video with all that vivid imagery. Or it would work with a nicely done retro light show. The first thing we noticed on the monitors was the HUGE soundstage. Big! This is a complex and nuanced production that is by its nature gonna invite a lot of opinions. For a production like this we don't feel qualified nor the need to parse things out. It was more fun just to listen to it in its totality. And from that perspective we hear a great intro (love the way the guitars establish that theme) that segues immediately into a vocal that you know is gonna be killer. And things get bigger and bigger. Filling that stadium up  There are great vocal and instrumental performances to go along with that excellent mix. Kudos y'all! J&B
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Cool song.......great sound and really interesting lyric!! Misha does a great job on the vocal. I still feel it is a bit too soft.....battles with the high guitar a bit. Otherwise, everything sounds great to me!! Take care. Greg
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I listened to the first link in speakers, but the vocals were completely buried.
So I listened to the second link, but still though the vocals were buried.
Then I put on headphones, listened to mix - vocals still buried.
Cool vibe, guitars sound great, musically interesting. Cool listen.
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Thank you everyone who mentioned my small part in this!
Ray, you did massive work on this! My part was minimal. I am very thankful you gave me a shot at it! The arrangement & lyrics are very strong. The vocals I recorded are ok for a initial variant, but my intuition tells me you should also try another, perhaps more "aggressive" singer if opportunity arises to have a different view/perspective. In any case, I enjoyed participating in this a lot. It was challenging in a very good way.
Thank you!
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Gave it a well deserved like.
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The instrumentation is great. Perfect, actually. I didn't hear a difference in the two versions, but I'm not listening on good equipment. Bonus points for creativity with the lyrics and vocals - it's rare you can say something is unique in music, but both are definitely unique. However, they are something of an acquired taste, I'm guessing. I'm sure I thought the same thing the first time I listened to Captain Beefheart, but since then he has become one of my faves. So we'll see what further listens will produce.
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Man, this one begs for a cool video with all that vivid imagery. Or it would work with a nicely done retro light show. The first thing we noticed on the monitors was the HUGE soundstage. Big! It was more fun just to listen to it in its totality. And things get bigger and bigger. Filling that stadium up ...great vocal... Kudos y'all! J&B Thanks very much for your kind observations. I'm expecting a guitar solo relatively soon but decided that a more BIAB version might better suit the forum. Misha did a stellar job I agree: between us we edited the lyrics into a more usable form, (they were much wordier - twice as much per line), he then did a couple of draft melody & phrasing runs before settling into something he was comfortable recording. The electric guitar with spring reverb, in the 2nd part of the intro, really set the sound stage - it sounded wide open and there was no fighting that. Again - thanks.
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