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Song is 32 bars long with 3 choruses. I want a RT sax solo for the intro and a RT trumpet to play a solo in the middle chorus. How to do this?
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Song is 32 bars long with 3 choruses. I want a RT sax solo for the intro and a RT trumpet to play a solo in the middle chorus. How to do this?
John, This is BIAB 101
This was nicely answered by Mac (of course ) in a current thread.
http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...;gonew=1#UNREAD
Although as many recommend, best done in RB where you can both see and hear the tracks.
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Sorry but I am a little beyond the beginner here. That's just another work around. There aren't any free tracks to use. So the answer is still no.
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Sorry but I am a little beyond the beginner here. That's just another work around. There aren't any free tracks to use. So the answer is still no.
OK, John, I better understand your question now - "...no free tracks to use", got ya.I know you know this program as well as any.
So why not move over into RB to achieve this goal? Or are you lobbying for more tracks in BIAB?
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"Cause it's not for me. I do use RB exclusively. It's for a buddy that uses BIAB exclusively. Uses it live 3/4 nights a week. Has for years. Likes the subtle variations that BIAB offer. Has bought a new computer and is in the process of shifting over to all RTs. now that it has the fast generation.
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This is a kludge, but...
could he use the one track to record the first solo, then save it as audio. Then reuse the same track to create the second solo, and then save it as audio.
THen use Audacity to combine the two tracks and import the combination back into the one track.
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That is too much of a kludge. What he's going to do is use the soloist with MIDI and his Ketron. Now that the upper bank issue has finally been fixed the Ketron offers some good quality and when you combine that with the other tracks being RTs it's fine. For Jazz I think the midi soloist offers more variations and tweak ability anyway.
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John.
Couldn't he just stretch the song out to 64 bars and by using the bar setting menu set up when and what RT you want to be the solo at a given bar, or am I still missing something?
Edited: Now I see there were no more free tracks to use, so this may not work for him.
Later,
Last edited by Danny C.; 01/16/10 10:12 AM.
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That's the only work around.
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This is a kludge, but...
could he use the one track to record the first solo, then save it as audio. Then reuse the same track to create the second solo, and then save it as audio.
THen use Audacity to combine the two tracks and import the combination back into the one track.
This works for me, but you don't need ot use Audacity to get it to work.
Can be done entirely in BiaB.
Generate the first solo.
It will cover all choruses, of course, but you don't care about that.
Use the Bar Settings to Mute that first solo in all places except the bars or chorus where you want it to be.
SOLO that track and Record to Audio.
Generate a new solo on the empty track.
Set the Bar Settings such that the new solo mutes where you don't want it and plays where you want it to play.
You can use the Audio record settings to record *only that chorus* on top of the other, or use the Punch In feature, either can work with careful use of the settings.
You can continue to do this for as many choruses as you like, with as many different solo instruments as you have, up to the total chorus limit.
Make sure you Mute or delete the last Soloist after transferring to Audio track so that it does not double with itself on the Audio track.
Like this:
Solo-AudioTrack_Demo1.mp3
Excuse the audio dropoouts and glitches, this was a fast thing put together for this demo, I left the browser and several other proggies open and running, network card on, everything possible to interrupt audio streaming was going on... (grin)
That is not a kludge at all...
--Mac
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Nah!! For a few reasons: 1. Chopping off the solo like that you'll be lucky if it musically resolves. 2. Now there's 2 files to keep track of for each song 3. Recipe for disaster live.
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I could have taken more time about which bars to edit and not chopped off the solos, this was just a quick and dirty throw together example to show it can be done.
But you just don't seem to want it to be so.
Yes, the large size of the .wav track attached is somewhat problematic, but consider that the same size or larger would have to be the case with RealBand, not to mention the use of another entirely different program.
One thing that I do for my gigging files where this is the case -- I convert the .wav to .mp3 or .wma and use that in the folder instead of the huge wav file. Takes a few secs longer to load due to conversion, but works.
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I'm not a huge fan of solos unless it's me messing it up.
That said I'm sorely tempted to post the joke about the chap on the island where the drums go night and day and he asks the hotel manager about if the drums ever stop, and he says "no drums should never stop."
Of course he asks why and then he says, "because the bass solo starts.."
That's an old horse so I'm not going to post that joke, but it's a good one.
(:
John Conley Musica est vita
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Mac, I'm posting for two people here. I use RB exclusively now for myself. My friend uses BIAB exclusively. Up until now he's been using 100% MIDI except for the RDs. He has gotten a new computer and with the access violation issue fixed he's been converting all of his songs to all RTs. He's a guitar player and his material is 100% instrumental so it's nice to have some other solos in there. With MIDI you can use the soloist and do whatever you want. He couldn't do that with RTs so he asked me if he was missing something. I couldn't figure out how to do it without doing it the way you describe. He's decided that he'll continue to use the Ketro for the solo work now that the upper bank issue is also fixed. Ketro Tenor blends in nicely with the RTs Band.
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Might just be my imagination but IT SEEMS that if I put in the bar settings first and then generate the RT solo it comes out musically better.
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Might just be my imagination but IT SEEMS that if I put in the bar settings first and then generate the RT solo it comes out musically better.
I have found that to be the case also.
What you heard was the quick first run at it, where I only specified by choruses changing at Bar 1.
I typically take the time to *overlap* the solo handoff by a beat or two, sometimes at the end of the last previous soloist's chorus, sometimes in the first bar of the next soloist.
Hitting Play to regenerate everything played often makes it sound better.
That Ketron SD-2 certainly does make MIDI sound very nice, I use it a lot also.
And he can keep on using the previously made MIDI-based songs with the Ketron. Might consider adding a RealTrack here and there, RealDrums, to the good old MIDI songs. I have found that the use of RealDrums and maybe RealBass or a RealGuitar along with the MIDI really helps to make the Ketron SD-2's sounds that much more realistic.
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Hi, of course I don't play live or anything like that, but when I need more that one solo on a song I make it with whatever length (usually 32 to 64 bars) depending on the tempo and using the solosit maker assign different instruments to so many part makers, (the soloist has a provision for that), now I'm talking exclusively midi solo. If I need or want to use RT's on my solos I just generate more solos as I need once I convert the track to a wav file and then edit and mix the whole thing on my DAW (usually Sony Acid pro 7). Works for me.
Mike B.
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Mac, I actually didn't listen to yours as dialup won't cut it. I tried it here and I do seem to feel that placing the bar settings first yields a better result.
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Just a workflow difference that gets to the same place, silvertones.
If I regenerate the solo AFTER placing the markers, it would be the same, almost, as setting the bar markers first and then regenerating the solo.
I just like being able to hear some "guide" solo track before setting those markers.
So I add the extra step of REgenerating the solos -- and sometimes will go thru that one process several times, looking for the better, or more interesing or more realistic sounding generation.
--Mac
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Mike what you're describing is exactly what started this thread.With MIDI it was a very easy process. With Real Inst. not so easy and requires a different process.
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