|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4
Newbie
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4 |
Hi,
The subject line pretty much says it all. For example, if the first 4 bars of my song are repeated (so 8 bars are played, with or without 1st and 2nd endings), then, say, there are another 12 bars of music and at that point I want to insert a D.S. al Coda (or a D.C. al Coda or even a D.S. al Fine) so the song will play through again, from the designated bar, BIAB will not allow it!! It just won't allow the repeated section to include a repeat!!
Does anybody know why? I can't see what I've missed, it's just standard chart technique (what I'm trying to do) as far as I know...
Cheers,
Paul
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 18,864
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 18,864 |
Hi Paul, Welcome to the forum. I don't use repeats, DS, etc., as I prefer to lay my song out in a linear format. This allows for much greater control of arrangement using BIAB bar settings, chord settings and changing time signatures than employing repeats gives. If you click on the link below, you'll see what I mean. This is one of my songs from a while ago and it shows the chordsheet playing it through. https://vimeo.com/142767138Repeats etc., are a notational device for fitting music into the smallest number of pages possible. The "once through", expanded layout of playing a song is like an orchestra score since orchestra scores do no use repeats. With copy and and paste, it's very quick to enter a song in linear form. Just my two cents worth. Hope it helps, Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 878 |
Highlight your chosen bar and right click. That should bring up a window that will give you Repeats/Codas/1st-2nd Endings. Click on that and you should see Repeats, 1st/2nd endings, DC al Coda, DC al Fine, DS al Coda and DS al Fine with a bunch of dialogs and options.
BIAB2024
Windows 10 Pro
WA6NCB
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645 |
I have reported this to PGM since about 2004! It started once we had fake sheet printing.
I always enter my songs first in linear mode the add repeats, endings etc.
If you have a repeat and then try to add a ds al coda, BIAB won't show the DS al Coda mark, but will show the 'sign' as well as the jump out and jump to and will honour all of those marks. These, after all they are print functions not musical instructions. The DS seems to get lost in the repeat function coding / printing
PGM even tried to tell me one time it was because of RealTracks.
There are several other print functions that don't work properly with fake sheets. I have documented the ones I know about, including sending prints that don't include any notes or chords showing that it is the print, not the song that is causing the problem.
Occasionally PGM confirm the problem and supposedly report it to the developers, but nothing has ever happened - since 2004.
My work around is to put a text box where the DS should be.
BIAB for Windows Version 2019 (643)
Windows 10 (1909)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,687
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,687 |
Yep. As much as I love this program notation printing is not it's strong suit. Part of the problem is few users care about it. I have been complaining about this too for at least 10 years. I started a thread last year to try to really put pressure on PGM to improve the print function and was literally begging users to jump on board and support that thread. I laid out all the relatively small things that needed improvement including this D.S issue. Wanna know the response? 6 or 7 +1's. That's it.
Not going to get them to make it a priority if the concern is that low among users.
Bob
Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,861 |
I was a beta tester of a dedicated music notation program for decades. Gotta say, getting this to work is a nightmare. The number of minute details and permutations is overwhelming.
BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645 |
It might be a reason, but it's not an excuse.
When they added layers to the notation for bar lyrics, for instance, it changed note based lyrics printed as well. Everything seems to be left justified such that you now lose all or part of the first character on a line of lyrics. It seems also to have changed how text (using the "T"" button) is treated. You used to be able to place it to the 'tick level' (eg bar / note / tick) but now it seems to left justify to the note.
I use lyrics on all my songs, and although the notation has never been a strong point, it seems to be getting worse. No amount of "we've passed it on to the developers" seems to make any difference.
BIAB for Windows Version 2019 (643)
Windows 10 (1909)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4 |
Hi Noel,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I realise that there is the option to lay the song out in linear form (like a score), but my preference is to include notation shortcuts (DS al Coda, Repeats etc) for the exact reason you mentioned. I need to try and fit everything onto one page, mainly because I have to supply charts to other musicians who will eventually read them as a PDF on a tablet/iPad. In this case keeping the charts to one page helps avoid page turning mid song.
Cheers,
Paul
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4 |
Hi JCland,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I know about that stuff, BIAB still will not allow me to add a DS/DC al Coda/Fine whatever, if there is an existing repeat somewhere in the song...
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4
Newbie
|
|
OP
Newbie
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 4 |
Hi Dave,
Thanks for that info. I'm not sure what you mean by "...they are print functions not musical instructions". They should be both, for playing back the song and also for printing. Either way, trying to add a DS/DC still won't work if a repeat already exists somewhere...
Cheers,
Paul
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645 |
The DS, repeats, and endings do not affect the way the song plays, only how it looks on your fake sheet. You just tell BIAB where to put them. If you are off by a bar BIAB will play what you created and show what it was told. These may not be the same if you have given the wrong instructions.
Laying in linear form just means that the song, is not 32x3 for instance but 96x1. The DS, repeats, and endings make it look like 32x3 on the fake sheet.
As for ds/dc not working if there is any repeat, I have never seen that. If there is a DS that occurs after the repeat, I think it will show. Even with the repeat, the ds works, it just doesn't show up. The sign and the exit from the song and the entry to the coda are there. Remember the DS is a method the show a return to an earlier bar, it doesn't actually affect the music being played. If you have tried to use DS with the built in repeat within BIAB, all bets are off. Just unfold the song (ie make 32x3 = 96x1) and use the repeats / endings dialogue.
BIAB for Windows Version 2019 (643)
Windows 10 (1909)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,324
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,324 |
i use linear form. its just so much easier
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 645 |
Does anyone know if this is fixed in 2020? It's been around since 2004
BIAB for Windows Version 2019 (643)
Windows 10 (1909)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Beginners Forum
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,353
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,353 |
Dave, I don't believe that there have been any changes that affect the way this feature operates in 2020.
BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,585
Posts734,718
Members38,500
| |
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean