It was mentioned in another thread what a nice job Peter and company did on the latest GUI. I completely agree and use it all of the time.
So I was wondering how many of us use the new GUI? How many are using the old GUI? This is not an attempt to discourage any one but with all of the talk about rewrites and GUI changes, and yes I am one whom advocates some of them, I was wondering what GUI is the most popular.
+1 for the new GUI from me.
Last edited by MarioD; 01/17/2008:36 AM.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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I am afraid I still use the old one. When the new one came out I was still finding my way round the old one , having only had BIAB since version 2014. I just could not bare the thought of having to find everything again. I hate any app where you have to work down through menus, and much prefer to have as much as possible on top and handy, where I can get at it in one click. Any improvement that causes me to have more clicks to get somewhere is a downgrade to me not an upgrade even if it does look cleaner and tidier. Just call me old fashioned !
As a classically trained Ph.D. Analytical Chemist and research scientist my first admonition when I see this is, "...be careful what questions you ask and how you ask them". We already know the vocal component of this forum who are likely to respond are long time users. Therefore, the population sample we are polling will be biased, non-random and not representative of the entire user base. As a result no clear hypothesis can be stated nor tested. This means no practical conclusions can be drawn from this effort.
Peter did the right thing by leaving older style front page for people who are use to it. Cakewalk (DAW) has what they now call "Work Spaces" this is somewhat similar, when you can choose your workspace.
However, I do feel that mixer and unintuitive menus are also a significant part of graphical user experience and while the initial front page was addressed, I feel these two big items were left out.
As a classically trained Ph.D. Analytical Chemist and research scientist my first admonition when I see this is, "...be careful what questions you ask and how you ask them". We already know the vocal component of this forum who are likely to respond are long time users. Therefore, the population sample we are polling will be biased, non-random and not representative of the entire user base. As a result no clear hypothesis can be stated nor tested. This means no practical conclusions can be drawn from this effort.
I use the old GUI.
Yes, I know. I took some statistics also! Thus the unscientific poll title!
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
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Dan, that's been my point on these subjects for years. This forum is not close to representing the customer base. I personally know several very experienced users who can't be bothered to even check out the forum despite my telling them it's pretty nice around here and they could contribute a lot.
Oh, almost forgot the GUI
I use both. And, minor correction it's a poll not a pole. One of those English things that drives non English speaking students crazy.
+1 for the look of the new GUI. But I haven't used it much so I still prefer using the older GUI.
Then again though I'm still progressing from moving from an eleven year old computer operating system to that "new" computer operating system that's "only" five years old.
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With Ctrl+T you could add another GUI instead of just old or new you could have old, new or custom. The custom one could be exactly that, where you can adjust the layout, position, icons or text similar to the very old BB above. So Ctrl+T will just toggle through the 3 screens old, new or custom.
Dan, that's been my point on these subjects for years. This forum is not close to representing the customer base. I personally know several very experienced users who can't be bothered to even check out the forum despite my telling them it's pretty nice around here and they could contribute a lot.
Oh, almost forgot the GUI
I use both. And, minor correction it's a poll not a pole. One of those English things that drives non English speaking students crazy.
Bob
This poll, thanx for pointing out my typo, is not for those whom don't use the forums, obviously. I just thought that it would be nice to see what the forum members are using. It also might help Peter & company. Why would they invest in improving the GUI if most here are still using the old GUI. Or if more are using the new GUI then maybe they would spend more time improving it.
As for those BiaB owners who don't participate in the forums I will say the same thing that I say to those whom don't vote and that is "if you don't vote then don't b-i-t-c-h about the outcome".
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up. Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware
Please understand that this is made possible by also placing a few key menu items in the Custom toolbar. When the new GUI was introduced, which I think was November 2017 for BIAB 2018, they also gave us the custom toolbars. I loaded up my Custom tab with this:
Notation New Open Save Save As MID Print Settings Prefs Form Freeze Sequence
With all of these available at a glance, I have not gone back to the old GUI since about a week after the new one became available.
Mario, thanks for starting this topic. This thread is useful for another reason. I have assumed, wrongly it now appears, that most people used the new GUI. I need to be more careful when answering questions to make sure I continue to mention Ctrl+T and not assume everyone has an icon in the same place as mine.
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Yes just concepts but the elements have co-ordinates so if the user could set those they could have it how they like. So it should not be hard to implement, BUT where on the 5000 line ToDoList would you put it ? The pic below is just moving the elements with an external app.
pipeline, I knew it was too good to be true The idea for the custom GUI selectable with CTR-T is OK, but Cakewalk has it better, because you can have several custom templates switchable in single project. I guess what you proposed will work almost like that. If it will be implemented one day, it would be nice, to be able to save that "custom" template as a file and have a couple of different ones, also, if it is in a form of file you can easily share your favorite GUI template with fellow users.
Flexible GUI... is among top 4 of my requests. If you count overhaul of MiXeR (which could be interpreted as part of GUI) among top 3 requests.
If I had my way, I would publish BIAB with NEWer GUI (2017?) on the start, so new users do not freak out by insane amount of buttons jumping at them and do not discredit the program, judging it by initial appearance. Seasoned users know their way around! If the want to go back to "old look GUI" all they have to do is press SINGLE BUTTON and life will be happy again.
...If it will be implemented one day, it would be nice, to be able to save that "custom" template as a file and have a couple of different ones, also, if it is in a form of file you can easily share your favorite GUI template with fellow users....
Most DAW have Layouts/Workspaces you can edit and save.
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
The GUI is a LOT more than just the main screen toolbar! I can press Ctrl-T all day long and it won't improve the maze of buried windows and dialog boxes that contain hundreds and hundreds of Windows 3.0 pushbuttons and radio buttons and checkboxes.
The entire GUI needs a rewrite in order to be acceptable to more sophisticated (younger) users.
The Plugin was suppose to be Biab Lite without out all of that, but I suppose you need to find a happy medium. To make Biab more customizable is all doable, you can get rid of the features, icons, menu items etc.. you don't use but at the moment all you can do is hope and wish, you are powerless to do anything else and this goes on year in year out, whereas the great thing about Reaper is it customizable and with the API for scripting you don't have to wish for 10 years for something, you can either make it yourself today or ask someone else in the forum to make it tomorrow. The pic below in Reaper is what any user can make tonight ! what if you could do that in Biab we wouldn't have all these very long forum discussions. Remember Winamp it was made to give users more control over things and it was very customizable, the same guy made Reaper. It is like we are stuck in Pleasantville and don't know it or we are Jim Carrey in The Truman Show. There needs to be more power and control to the users, we don't want to be chickens hoping to be fed.
But anyway back to Mario's Poll yes I use the new 80% and old 20%
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