You need to be logged in to post
Options
Index
#577009 - 01/19/20 10:22 PM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
Part 1 of 2

BACKGROUND
The trick with the harmonisers is not to have the harmony too loud because every now and then audio artifacts and octave jumps occur. These are incredibly difficult to avoid. Fortunately, at lower volumes, the listener's ear doesn't hear them and the harmony is still just as effective. I've used TC Helicon Harmony many times and I like it.

  • Harmonisers are also useful for creating a track that user can learn to sing and then create their own vocal harmony.


PG Music include a songfile and an associated WAV file that can be used to practice with the harmonisers. This file is found in...

  • \bb\Documentation\Tutorials – Audio Harmony
  • The file is called LISTEN.MGU


CREATING HARMONY WITH TC HELICON IN REALBAND

1. Open the file Listen.MGU (mentioned above) in Realband and test that it plays.

2. Save it as an SEQ file. This is Realband's file format and saves BIAB information as well as Audio information.

3. If the file doesn't play it means that Audio and MIDI driver settings need looking at. Please create a thread in the Realband forum at the link below

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=33&page=1

4. In Realband, the harmonisers are under the "Generate" menu (IMAGE 1).


To create a harmony using TC Helicon...

5. Select the Audio track (i.e. click on it and then press CTRL+A to select the whole track -- see IMAGE 2 below).

Notice that the audio is on track #8 in the image. Check that this is the same for you.

6. Now click on the top harmoniser (the arrow points to this in IMAGE 1). This is TC Helicon.


I'll continue these instruction in the next post below


Attachments
harmonisers 2020.jpg

Description: IMAGE 1... the two harmonisers available in Realband 2020

Audio track select.jpg

Description: IMAGE 2... Audio track in the file LISTEN.MGU


_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#577010 - 01/19/20 10:23 PM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] Re: HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020 [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
Part 2 of 2

TC HELICON HARMONY(cont'd)

7. After you select the top options, you'll be taken the screen on IMAGE 3 below. Set it as I've shown.

Notice that Audio is track #8 and that the first empty track on which to write the first harmony track is #10. For this reason, I chose "11" as my first harmony track (#5 on IMAGE 3)

8. Click OK

9. When you get to the next screen (IMAGE 4), set it as I've shown.

What to look at...

  • I've turned down the volume of the input track 8 to zero (#1)
  • #2 shows which setting refers to Harmony Down and which refers to Harmony Up.
  • I've left the volume settings where they were. If you want to make volumes louder, slide these upwards.
  • #4 I've set the "Harmony Down" to sound a little more masculine (the 'M' setting)
  • #5 I've set the "Harmony Up" to be a little more feminine (the 'F' setting)
  • #6 I've added a natural vibrato to "Harmony Up"


10. Leave everything else as is and click on "Generate" on the right side of the dialogue box. IMAGE 5 shows the harmony tracks written to Realband tracks 11 and 12.

After I played around with volume levels -- I raised all the MIDI volumes and lowered the Audio track volume a little...you'll find mp3 files of my results at the end of the post.

  • NOTE: I only used Coyote WT to play the MIDI backing. With either Realtracks or a superior soft synth the mp3 files would sound much better.



Attachments
harmoniser TC Helicon 2020.jpg

Description: IMAGE 3... First settings screen for TC Helicon. This tells the TCH what to do.

harmoniser TC Helicon (2) 2020.jpg

harmoniser TC Helicon (3) 2020.jpg

Description: IMAGE 5... generated harmony is on Realband tracks 11 and 12

Listen_no_harmony.mp3 (5 downloads)
Listen_with_harmony.mp3 (17 downloads)

_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#577012 - 01/19/20 10:48 PM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] Re: HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020 [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
The good news is that once creating harmony with TC Helicon is mastered, the second harmoniser on IMAGE 1 in the first post, is pretty much self-explanatory.

In other words... it's worthwhile learning TC Helicon.
_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#577032 - 01/20/20 04:29 AM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] Re: HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020 [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 05/16/17
Posts: 1317
beatmaster Offline
Expert

Registered: 05/16/17
Posts: 1317
Never even knew this existed , off to give it a wee try now

Thanks for posting !.
_________________________
win 10 64 bit 16gb, ssd 500gb, Alesis multimix8 usb,ketron sd,Roland BK-7M, 1000,shure sm7b,sonar,acid,mixcraft, variety of plugins.Sample tank 3, TC Helicon Voicelive 3 2 ,Byerdynamic 770 pro, akg k270,akg k701.
https://beatmaster1.bandcamp.com/releases

Top
#577161 - 01/20/20 04:48 PM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] Re: HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020 [Re: beatmaster]
Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 19697
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
rharv Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 19697
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
Oh my,
it's fun to discover these hidden gem features
here's another quick reference from long ago, may find some helpful tips ..
https://www.pgmusic.com/tutorial_audioharmonies.htm

The link is pretty old, surprised it's still around.
I think this was actually a Powertracks post back in the day.
_________________________
Make your sound your own!

Top
#577252 - 01/21/20 01:06 PM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] Re: HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020 [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
Noel96 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 10/31/08
Posts: 16382
Loc: Australia
Beatmaster: Hope it worked ok for you! Please let me know if my instructions are lacking any where and I'll adjust them.

rharv: I had no idea that webpage existed! I seriously enjoyed listening to "After The Storm". That's a great sounding piano! You've also managed to take TC Helicon to levels I have yet to achieve. You've given me some goals to work towards now. Thanks!
_________________________
LINKS TO MY BIAB/RB SONGS


Top
#577278 - 01/21/20 02:45 PM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] Re: HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020 [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 11756
Loc: Pensacola, Florida
jford Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 11756
Loc: Pensacola, Florida
One thing I will add is that if you are recording a vocal, you should sing/record it without vibrato in your voice (just sing it straight). It makes for a cleaner harmony in the end. You can record the vocal twice (one with vibrato, one without), and use the one without vibrato to create the harmony. You can add harmony back in to the harmony tracks using the drop down after creating the harmony tracks. This should give you better results.
_________________________
John

LaptopBeast HP Win10Pro64 8GB
AudioBeast ASUS Win10Pro64 16GB
VideoBeast HP Win10Pro64 8GB

BB-RB2020/UMC404HD/Casio Kbds/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/Samplitude/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Noteworthy/NIKomplete/Halion/Garritan/IK

http://www.sus4chord.com

Top
#578298 - 01/28/20 04:07 PM [Post your own Tips and Tricks here] Re: HOW TO: Create harmony using TC Helicon in Realband 2020 [Re: Noel96]
Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 19697
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
rharv Offline
Veteran

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 19697
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
Originally Posted By: Noel96
That's a great sounding piano! ..


Noel,
As I thought about this,that was a 12 bit 32k sampled piano from my Roland S-series sampler (or maybe the W-30) back in the day. Probably late 80's.
It worked for this song I guess, but the piano sound is all a facade <grin> .. the sound set loaded from a 720k floppy.
Yeah, I'm that old

We have much nicer sounding pianos available now
.. maybe this one worked because the song was written using this sound and the whole mix was shaped around it (?)
I dunno, but thanks!
_________________________
Make your sound your own!

Top


PG Music News
Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows Just Got Better!

All our Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows users will be thrilled with the enhancements added with the latest FREE Update (build 715)!

The program stability is vastly improved, with fewer possible crashes, BeStPlain chord font support has been added for additional chords, mid/xml/mxl file import has been tweaked to better handle certain cases (e.g. ties, zero duration drum notes), there is improved the stability of the audio chord wizard, and more.

Plus, hundreds of RealTracks files have been enhanced and improved with simpler options for RealTracks and MIDI SuperTracks, smoother transitions, updated RealCharts and Hi-Q RealCharts, improved transcriptions, and revised endings! Check out the full list of RealTracks and other Add-on improvements with build 715 here.

We didn't stop there – the VST DAW Plugin is also updated with this patch, adding TONS of enhancements and a new Shortcuts file feature! Now you can easily zoom within the Plugin, smoothly drag tracks, use the P hotkey to toggle between part markers, transpose chords to "natural accidentals," the scrolling has been improved, and more!

Read the detailed list of enhancements included in Band-in-a-Box® 2020 build 715 for Windows or download it here.

Using the Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Windows Pro or MegaPAK? Upgrade to the UltraPAK today to get the most out of the latest build 715!

Holiday Hours - Happy Easter!

Our Easter Weekend hours are:

Customer Service:
April 10 - Good Friday: 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST (GMT -8)
April 11 - Saturday: 8:00AM to 4:00PM PST (GMT -8) (regular hours of operation)
April 12 - Easter Sunday: Closed.
April 13 - Easter Monday: 6:00AM to 6:00PM PST (GMT -8) (regular hours of operation)

Technical Service:
Closed April 10-12 (Will re-open Monday, April 13 at 10:00AM PST)

All of our hours list here.

New with Band-in-a-Box® 2020 - MultiRiffs!

This feature was initially offered with the VST DAW Plugin, and now it's available directly in Band-in-a-Box®! MultiRiffs allows you to quickly generate 7 variations of either a portion of the track (which would generate 7 variations of "Riffs" of a four-bar guitar solo), or the whole song with 7 variations that are generated to play different material at all times.

Read all about this feature here, or check out our New Features Video (46:00) to see it in action!

Interview: Aaron Short & PG Music's Tobin!

Check out Aaron Short's LIVE interview with PG Music's Tobin!
Click here to watch.

This was recorded LIVE at 1pm PST, April 8, 2020.

#TipTuesday - The Band-in-a-Box® 2020 Feature Browser

Don't forget about the new Feature Browser added to Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac! (and Windows)

This feature is GREAT to help you locate a feature within the program!

How does it work? Access this feature by clicking on the [?] button on the main screen of the program or pressing the / Enter keys on the Chord Sheet. This dialog lists many features of the program and allows you to browse them, find the feature by text filter, read descriptions about the feature, find how to launch the feature, access to the online information or video about the feature, and do more.

Examples of a few situations where this feature is helpful:
-You know about a feature but don't know how to find it. Just type a part of the feature name and you'll see the hotkeys, menu, and toolbar info on how to launch it. For example, if you want to launch the Chord Builder but don’t know how to do it, type "builder" in the text filter, and you will quickly find the Chord Builder.
-You are exploring available features for Band-in-a-Box. For example, if you are a guitar player, type the word "guitar" and you'll see what's available.
-You prefer "one-stop-shopping" and would like to launch features from the same dialog.
-You are learning the program and like to browse or watch videos about topics you're interested in.
-You can't remember hotkeys and want to review them.

Read more about this new feature here, or watch the video.

Don't Wait to Start with Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac - Download Now!

Want to get started with the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac right away?

Order now and start downloading Band-in-a-Box® 2020 right away!

Place your order before April and up to 50% off of your upgrade! You'll also receive a Free Bonus PAK full of amazing Add-ons, which you can upgrade to the 49-PAK for just $49 and add even more Add-ons (including 40 Unreleased RealTracks)!

Check out our Band-in-a-Box® 2020 for Mac packages page for all the purchase options available.

Having your order shipped? Your PG Music Inc. online account will list your purchase under "My Products" - you can download while you wait!

Band-in-a-Box® for Mac Patch Updates Ready! (2019 & 2020)

We've JUST released FREE Updates for existing Band-in-a-Box® for Mac 2019 and 2020 program users!

Band-in-a-Box® 2020 Update - Build 407
Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Update - Build 323

What do these include?

Summary of changes for Band-in-a-Box® 2020 Update - Build 407: (get it here)
Fixed: RealDrums Quick List was empty if launched from main toolbar.
Improved: Bootup time is faster.
Fixed: It is not possible to type ^ (caret symbol for pushes) in chordsheet if using an Italian keyboard layout.
Fixed: Opening songs from older versions might misinterpret song title as ?.
Fixed: Buttons in Custom toolbar are not draggable.
Fixed: The time signature button on the main toolbar did not do anything.
Fixed: A maximum of 1990 MIDI events are loaded from a song file into the Melody or Soloist track.
Fixed: RealDrums Quick List menu item did not do anything.
Fixed: Find a Sub for RealDrums menu item did not do anything.
Fixed: Various problems with localized versions.
Fixed: Some style demos for the newest RealTracks would not play.
Fixed: Song title will be changed to ? when re-saving if it previously contained international characters like é or ©.

DAW Plugin 2.5.18
Fixed: "Open Recent" opened file chooser dialog
Fixed: Unfold feature not working with some songs
Fixed: Choruses not resetting when playback is stopped in DAW
Fixed: Chord superscripts
Fixed: Clicking zoom many times will crash standalone plugin
Fixed: Undo removes all chords after opening a song
Fixed: Buzzing sound in Studio One
Fixed: Plugin determining chord accidentals now matches main program
Fixed: Removed alert menu when sync playing tracks that are not up-to-date (generated).
Fixed: Cancelling generate made song lose "dirty" state
Fixed: All selected tracks should drag from the plugin
Fixed: Shortcut file feature not working always working. Support was also added for pgshortc.txt files
Fixed: Double clicking grey area in chord sheet started playback
Fixed: Bar highlighting skipped last chorus when the start bar is greater than 1
Fixed: Right-click on bar should first launch popup menu
Fixed: Double clicking anywhere on a track should open its picker
Added: About to File Menu
Added: "year" to plugin name
Fixed: remove sync tempo button if already synced
Fixed: improve 2 finger scroll (too fast)

Summary of changes for Band-in-a-Box® 2019 Update - Build 323: (get it here)
Fixed: Bootup time is faster.
Fixed: It is not possible to type ^ (caret symbol for pushes) in chordsheet if using an Italian keyboard layout.
Fixed: Opening songs from older versions might misinterpret song title as ?.
Fixed: The time signature button on the main toolbar did not do anything.
Fixed: A maximum of 1990 MIDI events are loaded from a song file into the Melody or Soloist track.
Fixed: Various problems with localized versions.

Forum Stats
31631 Members
65 Forums
63466 Topics
537332 Posts

Max Online: 2537 @ 01/19/20 07:09 AM
Newest Members
eja411, stratusphunk, Haderlie, Pecos, el-bazi

31630 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
MarioD 217
Matt Finley 211
Al-David 153
Janice & Bud 140
VideoTrack 133
Icelander 129
floyd jane 128
zedd 122
dcuny 101
musician17 98
Today's Birthdays
Carol_Haynes, grenzenlos!, MarioD, Wolf Puppy Kevin B