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Very interesting.
Don't let the French narration scare you; there are English captions.
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It will give more then 4 chords per bar.
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And you can place the chords on various push points.
I tried it. Be aware, it's all MIDI. Users of Yamaha equipment will have the easiest time using the styles.
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Pipeline.... Are you spying on me? I was just about to post this here  This developer took an aggressive swing to deliver! It is still very young and a bit clunky, compared to vArranger. But still, nothing but respect for this guy. Especially for the price - FREE! Just finished writing a support email to developer with some suggestions. Looking back, I was actually surprised that BIAB does not have support for styles of arranger keyboards. Maybe one day...
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It's an impressive introduction. I think it is very smart to use the Yamaha arranger styles as there is a huge collection of styles available for download over the internet. That takes a lot of pressure off the developer.
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Seems promising
But... (haven’t spent enough time to be totally sure of anything, nevertheless)
[*]The harmony parts (guitar, piano, keys) don’t know the right voicings for the interesting chords (susb9 for instance, but also lydian...)
[*]There seem to be some chords missing, like the beautiful Cmaj7#5
[*]Most yamaha styles are no less cheesy than the old biab ones and biab has some nice ones, too
[*]No score or sheet yet.
[*]No xml or mgu import yet
[*]Holds, pushes... don’t seem to apply to the drums
On the other hand, there seems to be some promise here
[*]Odd meters!
[*]Simple GUI
[*]Song structure is simple and allows a lot of options
[*]Great, easy soundfont (not High Quality, but decent and GM compatible)
Looks promising, sure does.
Biab, Kontakt, Sampletank and lots of nice libraries, from Fluffy audio to Abbey Road drums. Check out these great contemporary Jazz Styles: www.jazzstylezz.com
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I played with this for a couple of hours last night and here are some of my first thoughts and how they compare to yours. Seems promising
But... (haven’t spent enough time to be totally sure of anything, nevertheless)
[*]The harmony parts (guitar, piano, keys) don’t know the right voicings for the interesting chords (susb9 for instance, but also lydian...)
[*]There seem to be some chords missing, like the beautiful Cmaj7#5
[*]Most yamaha styles are no less cheesy than the old biab ones and biab has some nice ones, too
[*]No score or sheet yet.
[*]No xml or mgu import yet
[*]Holds, pushes... don’t seem to apply to the drums
You don't need a score or notation sheet as you can save the song as a mid file and load it into a notation program like the free Musecore.
You are right about the lacking file structures.
I didn't mess with holds or pushes.
On the other hand, there seems to be some promise here
[*]Odd meters!
[*]Simple GUI
[*]Song structure is simple and allows a lot of options
[*]Great, easy soundfont (not High Quality, but decent and GM compatible)
Looks promising, sure does.
The bottom line for me is that if you are working mostly in MIDI this is something to look at and to keep an eye on. IMHO if this keeps on improving this software will be a big threat to the MIDI side of BiaB.
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I will once I have more experience with this under my belt.
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Nice find! Super easy install since I've been using the CoolSoft VirtualMIDISynth for years.
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Will this run an external module if I input the chords, would it run the modules style and change chords etc.
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Have a look Tools > Options > Midi
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Thanks Pipeline
I really appreciate your posts and Help.
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How do you add the styles to the programme ?.
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On my system, they were installed here:
C:\Users\Primary\JJazzLab\Rhythms
Where 'Primary' is your Windows User name.
There are different folders under Rhythms for different song types. The 'styles' files (.STY) are included in the Rhythms subfolders.
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Thanks ill have a look. I have a file realbook is that for the styles ?.
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Sounds interesting.. Just 2 questions before I download and install it for testing; Does it support VSTi ? AND, can import Midi files?
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It will import Impro-visor songs and Impro-visor will import midi tracks.
You can use SaviHost with VSTSynthFont64 D.dll send midi from JJazzLab to SaviHost with LoopMidi.
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Ok, sounds good..Thank's Pipeline ! Will give it a try...
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Sounds like a ton of work to me. If you have to tie in two maybe three programs to do one process, it hey it’s another tool in the box.
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Just a note to say, the developer, Jerome, asked for help to add the function of reading in BIAB files. I assisted a bit, and it's getting close.
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Update. I've been working with Jerome supplying some of my BIAB files for testing. His program can read BIAB SGU files directly! He even has support for holds, rests, and shots. Watch for a new version soon with these features.
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Yes I sent him some code to read them.
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Great, thanks! I sent material explaining all the song extensions and style types. He's got it working!
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Thanks for that, let us know when there is a release for it.
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Matt, Pipeline
good to see progress on this!
Matt, can you please explain: "read BIAB SGU files directly"?
Are we talking about chord sheet and tempo...or something else?
I am just trying to wrap my head around this. How can shots and holds work with Yamaha styles? They usually have "fills" or "breaks" but I do not believe these styles have specific items for shots or such. Are they "place holders" in Jerome JJazzlab?
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We will find out together.
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I am wondering...
because of style variation segments it will be challenging to just superimpose Jjazzlab arrangement to the one in BIAB.
I imagine, an intuitive "third party" (BIAB+Jjazlab) integration can look like this:
Jjazlab as a VST in BIAB, duplicating whole chord grid from BIAB, following all changes being made and tempo map. Outputting sound of whole arrangement from BIAB+Jjazlab simultaneously.
I am not sure about the part where VST can sync (duplicate) chord changes as they being written in BIAB, but if it is possible....
Maybe it worth the shot of asking Jerome to develop such VST while he is full of energy? (packing what he has in VST shell and making proper connections?) As I imagine, if it is possible, this VST could be used in such manner in any DAW that has chord track or similar.
Pipeline, if you are reading this, do you think such workflow is possible? If it is not realistic for technical reasons, maybe it is better to leave it as imaginary concept and not bother Jerome?
Thanks.
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I am not sure about the part where VST can sync (duplicate) chord changes as they being written in BIAB, but if it is possible....
Maybe it worth the shot of asking Jerome to develop such VST while he is full of energy? (packing what he has in VST shell and making proper connections?) As I imagine, if it is possible, this VST could be used in such manner in any DAW that has chord track or similar. Yes while they are young and enthusiastic ! With chords changes you would need to Save SGU in BB then reopen SGU in JJazzLab. You can ask him again here https://jjazzlab.freeforums.net/thread/27/make-jjazzlab-share-thoughtsThanks for JJazzLab ! how is that JJazzLabVST version coming along even if you just had a vst that just sends the VstTimeInfo (play,stop,continue, tempo, time signature etc..) to JJazzLab to sync it with the the DAW host without have to worry about sending midi back to the host it could just send via something like LoopMidi. You could have some midi drag export points for each track or the master to drag direct into the DAW. That would be nice, but I need help because I'm not familiar with VST... In the meantime it's easy to connect JJazzLab to your VST host via a virtual midi driver (LoopBe etc.).
Maybe you could get it to send or receive midi sync, slave or master.
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This does look interesting because Yamaha does have a ton of styles for their various keyboards. I'm curious to see where this goes because I'm another one who has commented over the years how cool would it be for Biab to use some arranger keyboard styles.
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Pipeline,
Well... Yes, saving file, opening file, syncing midi. That is a kind of workaround... Sure. I personally think VST is the way to go. That way, even if the chord chart can't be synced automatically to BIAB, it can follow chords typed in BIAB. You will just manually enter the number of bars in Jjazlab and define positions of parts (yamaha style parts, fills etc.) that you want it to hit on certain bars. With the VST, if done right, you would not have to route audio card / midi specifically for this setup, it would be more streamlined and it will be possible to hear Yamaha style with other RT's from BIAB together. I am actually surprised Jerome chose stand alone format. You can easily make the VST standalone, but not vise versa. I will think it over a bit and give Jerome a shout.
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That was one of my first "wishes". I do not see why PG would change BIAB to accept arranger styles (Yamaha, Roland)... I think the only way to do this without jumping all kind of hoops is to have third party style module in a form of VST to be loaded to BIAB channel. Or, to have more dedicated midi channels in BIAB to import the MIDI file from arranger and so it clearly displays/plays on all 16 channels without interfering with RT channels.
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I didn't want to get into detail unless somebody asked...
My suggestion was to take the arranger style elements which are nothing more than short midi files, and import them into the Stylemaker. The problem with that is as we all found out last year the Stylemaker has serious limitations so it would need to be reworked in order to do that. That makes it another one of those "Is it really possible to even do that or would it require a rewrite of the Biab base code"?
This can be done now with one huge gotcha. You midi your computer to an arranger keyboard and use the Export Chords function. As Biab is playing it exports the chords to the keyboard in real time. Of course that means you already own a good arranger which ain't cheap. My Korg Pa3x cost about $4,000 new. I got it used for way less but that's how much the new Pa5X is. The new Yamaha PSR970 is about $2,000 but the flagship Genos? Don't ask. (Around 6K)
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Version 2.1 is out.
https://www.jjazzlab.com/en/It does read BIAB SGU and MGU files. And it reads Music XML files. Be aware, there are a few problems reading BIAB song files so there is a disclaimer that your BIAB song might not work. However, I gave the developer a ton of files with all kinds of features in the songs to test, and they did quite well. RustySpoon asked if it handles shots and holds. Yes. The main problem I see is that songs import in 4/4 time, so if your BIAB song is 3/4 you will have to make an edit of the time signature once in JJazzlab. The developer says he can't (yet) find how to read the time signature from the BIAB file.
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Yes that's what I found with the SGU there is no time signature in it as it gets the time signature from the Style that is being used.
So they can put a prompt on import to ask for time signature.
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JJazzLab 2.1.2 will prompt now to ask for time signature of the imported SGU/MGU and be able to change all time signatures by double clicking the first time signature.
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JJazzLab 2.1.2 will prompt now to ask for time signature of the imported SGU/MGU and be able to change all time signatures by double clicking the first time signature. Ah. So this is the 2.1.2a update from June 30. This is update also contains a couple of bug fixes. 2.1.2a Details [enhancement] BIAB import : notify user about time signature limitation #86 [enhancement] Add a Song Memo editor #11 [bug-fix] Mac/Linux: Shot option checkbox is hidden in the Chord Symbol Edit dialog #96 *(2.1.2a)* [bug-fix] Mac: typing a chord symbol from the chord lead sheet preselects first char in the bar edit dialog #97 *(2.1.2a)*
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I'm truly amazed at the number of PG Music forum members that have posted on the +++ JJazzLab forum +++.
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
Thank you to everyone who has contributed!
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