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Hallo zusammen,
Wie kann ich Wiederholungen in der Melodie eingeben?
Ich habe im Chordsheet eine Wiederholung von Takt 9 bis Takt 12 eingetragen.
Im Notation Fenster würde ich gerne auch für die Melodie die Takte 9 bis 12 wiederholen, also nicht die Melodie zweimal eintragen.
Auch beim Druck des Leadsheet hätte ich gerne die Wiederholungszeichen und nicht zweimal hintereinander die Takte 9 bis 12.
Kann mit hier jemand weiterhelfen?
Vielen Dank schonmal und liebe Grüße
Zita
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Hello Zita, Have you tried asking in the German language forum +++ HERE +++? Per Google Translate: Hello everybody,
How can I enter repetitions in the melody?
I have entered a repetition from bar 9 to bar 12 in the chordsheet.
In the notation window, I would like to repeat measures 9 to 12 for the melody, so do not enter the melody twice.
Also when printing the lead sheet I would like to have the repetition characters and not bars 9 to 12 twice in succession.
Can someone help here?
Thank you in advance and best regards Unfortunately I don't print chord sheets so if someone can answer the question.
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Hallo Zita,
Willkommen im Forum. Ich antworte dir gern hier, aber es gibt auch einen deutschsprachigen Forumsbereich, der gut besucht ist.
Ich hoffe, ich habe dein Problem richtig verstanden:
Wenn du im Chordsheet eine Wiederholung eingibst, wird das im Normalfall immer auch in der Notationsansicht (Leadsheet) dargestellt mit den klassischen Wiederholungspunkten und Doppelbalken im System. Bei dir ist aber möglicherweise in den Optionen eingestellt, dass Wiederholungen "aufgeklappt" werden, also doppelt angezeigt.
Um das auszustellen, gehe in den Menupunkt Optionen-Voreinstellungen klicke dann im "Voreinstlg."-Fenster links oben auf den ersten Button "Anzeige". Dort findest du rechts die Wahlmöglichkeit per Häkchen "Aktiviert Anzeige von Wiederholungen"
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Hallo Brille,
zuerst vielen Dank für Deine Antwort und den Hinweis auf das deutsche Forum (werde ich bei meinen nächsten Posts berücksichtigen).
Du hast mein Problem richtig verstanden. Ich habe nochmal gecheckt, ob ich die Einstellungen so habe, wie Du vorschlägst. Die habe ich so und im Chordsheet funktioniert das auch alles (klassische Doppelbalken und zwei Punkte als Wiederholungszeichen) und wenn ich die Einstellungen ändere, dann wird die Wiederholung "aufgelöst" und die entsprechenden Takte werden zweimal hintereinander dargestellt.
Beim Abspielen des Stückes wird im Chordsheet der gerade gespielte Takt hinterlegt, bei der Wiederholung werden dann die Takte innerhalb der Wiederholungszeichen zweimal nacheinander hinterlegt. Hier im Chordsheet ist also alles so, wie ich es erwarte.
Allerdings im Notationsfenster erscheinen die klassischen zwei Punkte nicht, lediglich der Doppelbalken wird angezeigt. Und die Takte innerhalb der Wiederholung werden zweimal hintereinander angezeigt, ich habe dann also hier mehr Takte als im Chordsheet. Auch beim Abspielen des Stücks werden nicht die Noten innerhalb der Doppelstriche wiederholt sondern die Noten in den Takten nach dem zweiten Doppelstrich abgespielt.
Komme hier leider nicht weiter. Ich kann zwar die Melodie zweimal hintereinander eintragen, dann ist das Abspielen des Stückes korrekt, aber ich hätte gerne die klassische Darstellung der Wiederholungszeichen im Leadsheet beim Ausdruck.
Trotzdem natürlich nochmal vielen Dank und liebe Grüße
Zita
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Hallo Brille,
zuerst vielen Dank für Deine Antwort und den Hinweis auf das deutsche Forum (werde ich bei meinen nächsten Posts berücksichtigen).
Du hast mein Problem richtig verstanden. Ich habe nochmal gecheckt, ob ich die Einstellungen so habe, wie Du vorschlägst. Die habe ich so und im Chordsheet funktioniert das auch alles (klassische Doppelbalken und zwei Punkte als Wiederholungszeichen) und wenn ich die Einstellungen ändere, dann wird die Wiederholung "aufgelöst" und die entsprechenden Takte werden zweimal hintereinander dargestellt.
Beim Abspielen des Stückes wird im Chordsheet der gerade gespielte Takt hinterlegt, bei der Wiederholung werden dann die Takte innerhalb der Wiederholungszeichen zweimal nacheinander hinterlegt. Hier im Chordsheet ist also alles so, wie ich es erwarte.
Allerdings im Notationsfenster erscheinen die klassischen zwei Punkte nicht, lediglich der Doppelbalken wird angezeigt. Und die Takte innerhalb der Wiederholung werden zweimal hintereinander angezeigt, ich habe dann also hier mehr Takte als im Chordsheet. Auch beim Abspielen des Stücks werden nicht die Noten innerhalb der Doppelstriche wiederholt sondern die Noten in den Takten nach dem zweiten Doppelstrich abgespielt.
Komme hier leider nicht weiter. Ich kann zwar die Melodie zweimal hintereinander eintragen, dann ist das Abspielen des Stückes korrekt, aber ich hätte gerne die klassische Darstellung der Wiederholungszeichen im Leadsheet beim Ausdruck.
Trotzdem natürlich nochmal vielen Dank und liebe Grüße Translation, with thanks to Google: Hello Brille, First of all thank you for your answer and the reference to the German forum (I will take this into account in my next posts). You understood my problem correctly. I checked again to see if I had the settings as you suggested. I have it that way and everything works in the chordsheet (classic double bars and two dots as a repeat symbol) and if I change the settings, the repetition is "resolved" and the corresponding measures are displayed twice in succession. When the piece is played, the bar currently being played is stored in the chord sheet, and when it is repeated, the bars within the repeat characters are stored twice in succession. So here in the chordsheet everything is as I expect it to be. However, the classic two dots do not appear in the notation window, only the double bar is displayed. And the bars within the repetition are displayed twice in a row, so I have more bars here than in the chord sheet. Even when the piece is played, the notes within the double lines are not repeated, but the notes in the bars after the second double line are played. Unfortunately I can't get any further here. I can enter the melody twice in a row, then the playing of the piece is correct, but I would like the classic representation of the repetition characters in the lead sheet when printing. Nevertheless, of course, many thanks and best regards
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Hello, Zita,
I've never noticed this behaviour before, but you're right, I can see that now. After entering a repeat range in the Chord View, the accompaniment is repeated, but not the melody in the notation window. There are double bar lines in the notation window (without colons), but after that the bars to be repeated are displayed again, without the melody. When playing, the cursor just runs once through the repetition. This is actually illogical and not correct. Can anyone or the technical support confirm this?
Hallo Zita,
Das ist mir bislang nie aufgefallen, aber du hast Recht, ich kann das jetzt auch so nachvollziehen. Nach Eingabe eines Wiederholungsbereiches im Chord-View wird zwar die Begleitung wiederholt, aber nicht die Melodie im Notationsfenster. Es gibt dann im Notationsfenster zwar doppelte Taktstriche (ohne Doppelpunkte), aber danach werden nochmals die zu wiederholenden Takte angezeigt, ohne die Melodie. Beim Abspielen läuft der Cursor durch nur einfach durch die Wiederholung. Das ist tatsächlich unlogisch und nicht richtig.
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... ich hätte gerne die klassische Darstellung der Wiederholungszeichen im Leadsheet beim Ausdruck. English: I'd like to have a standard display of repeat signs in the Lead Sheet (and) in the printout. Answer: Just check the Fake Sheet Mode option in the Lead Sheet Window and you'll be all set. Deutsch: Einfach den Fake Sheet Modus im Lead Sheet Fenster aktivieren und die Wiederholungszeichen erscheinen wie gewünscht.
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Hi Martin, thank you for your tip. You're right, this works in the leadsheet.  But in the NOTATION window I have to type the notes of the melody twice (or copy the notes). Otherwise there is no melody in the second repeating when playing the song. Right?
Zita
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Hi Zita,
The Notation window does not support repeat signs.
The current repeats business entails quite some rigmarole with BiaB. To have some originally not repeated bars in some already existing song repeated, it would be good to issue a simple repeat command over some selected bars – alas that approach leads to quite some confusion. Either some notes get deleted or some bars have multiple notes, viz. original notes plus some copied notes.
In order to wind up with a usable Lead Sheet the user needs first to 'insert' some appropriate number of bars and then copy/paste those bars that shall get repeated. If the Fake Sheet Mode is active the Lead Sheet Window displays and plays the intended song form perfectly with repeat signs.
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Hi Martin,
thanks a lot.
Ok, I already have suspected that the Notation window does not support repeatings, but I had hoped that there is any feature I don't have found out not just yet (I'm very new with BiaB).
Of course this practice ist not very comfortable but will be the only way to reach my target.
Zita
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