I couldn't see very well either in his images, but what I *think* I saw was the existing tracks seemed off compared to the grid. The EZDrum seemed on. So if played alone the existing tracks would sound fine, but with EZDrum (or others aligned to the tempo map) things get off. Can you easily create a 'click' or metronome in Bandlabs that aligns with the tempo map? If EZDrums aligns to it, and the imported BiaB tracks do not, then the click track (tempo map) would be suspect. Or maybe some loop metadata.
Just trying to help find a quick way to figure out which is causing the problem.
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So are you just using all the tracks from that style then added you vocals in BandLab ? Are there any tempo changes in Biab you will see them as red lines under the bar number.
I Created the BIAB song using the _CBOOGS2 Style. I opened Cakewalk by BandLab and inserted the BIAB vst from the insert Synth menu. I opened the song into the VST version of BIAB and then passed the blue marker into Cakewalk right at the 0 marker. The 4x tracks that made up the Style fell into their separate tracks in Cakewalk. Because I wasn't suspicious of timing/sync problems, I then started upsetting the neighbours with my singing. Of course, my vocals were following the BIAB song. All sounded great until I thought to put an EZD drum track in place of the Style drum. That's when I noticed the drift start midway (Bar 37) through the playback and get worse from Bar 68. I did not tamper with anything that would have put tracks out of sync. If I mute the EZD drum track, I hear no problem with my vocals syncing with the 4x Style tracks because that's what I laid my vocals against.
Having said all that, I doubled checked myself before making my 1st posting of this thread so as not to waste anyone's time. I turned on Cakewalk's metronome on playback and heard the Style tracks go off sync from Bar 37. I muted BIAB and listened to the metronome against EZD. Perfectly in sync from start to finish. I then soloed the Style drum track against the metronome to be doubly certain. Again I heard the drift.
Bear in mind rharv, that the drift is not EVENLY PROGRESSIVE from start to finish. It is perfectly in sync up to Bar 36, then starts to drift, which is what makes this all quite curious. Nor have I snipped the Style tracks and pushed them backwards or forwards in the timeline. They came straight out of BIAB plug-in to the very start of the timeline.
Maybe I shall upload the images again at a higher resolution to make the issue clearer.
Please read my response to rharv just above. It explains my moves step by step. I do not see any tempo changes and I made sure before bringing the BIAB song into Cakewalk that ALL bars were set to 129bpm.
Having said that, this was my 4th attempt at creating the song having had problems wrestling with the ACR facility in BIAB when I brought in the artist's original audio file. What a groove Elvis had !!!
In fact, I joined another thread on the topic of the ACR a few days before starting this one and the help given there put me on track (excuse the pun). It was explained to me how to ensure ALL bars are universally set to the required tempo as well.
So, all I have in Cakewalk is the BIAB song using the 4x tracks included in the named style, to which I laid my vocals against. Then I brought in EZDrummer.
I might just now put the kettle on at half past midnight and have another t-break whilst re-doing the images at a higher res.
Can you upload the SGU or as in the previous post the wav to dropbox. If you used the Audio Chord Wizard on the original it would of tempo mapped it. This is what I get using the BBvst rather than just dragging in the wav tracks from Biab:
Sorry about jumping in but I have an idea. Are you using repeats (multiple choruses) in your Band-in-a-Box song file or is your song file one chorus?
I suspect your song file is multiple choruses with each chorus 35 or 36 bars long and the lag you're experiencing is the time it takes for your computer render or playback head to move from the last bar back to the beginning of the chorus.
If you're song file has multiple choruses use the Edit > Song Form > Unfold command to make it one long chorus.
That was a GREAT thought - but - in the few months that I have really been using BIAB, I somehow find it easier for my brain to handle 1x full chorus for the whole of the song.
I have just posted my SGU to Pipeline above. Please have a look. I have a positive feeling that an answer is there in plain sight and it will be me with the blushes !!!
...Are there any tempo changes in Biab you will see them as red lines under the bar number.
The tempo changes are @ bar 33 and 65 from 129 to 125 At the bottom of the of the F5 Bar Setting dialog you can Rest all bars to remove tempo changes, But seems you have recorded the vocals to that tempo map you can save one of the tracks to midi from Biab by dragging the guitar track with underscore to MID drop (the Drum RC was not working), now open that in a new BandLab and it should import the tempo map from the midi file (Jim might tell you the best way, I think you can ctrl drag or alt drag in so it imports the map from the midi file?) EDIT: If you go to File > Open > BB-midi-file-with-tempo-map.mid it will import the tempo map into new session, then View > Tempo you will see the changes. Once you have the midi in with the tempo map drag your BB tracks in and the vocal track you saved from original session. Now EZDrummer will be in sync. EDIT: if you wanted it without the tempo changes just take the tempo changes out of Biab, drag those tracks into a new BandLab session, import the original vocal track and split the wav track at the old tempo change bars then slide it in sync to the music.
What I realise now, is that whilst I followed Charlie Fogle's instruction (from a different thread) on how to globally set the tempo to 129 ( Audio/Set audio master base tempo), this does not apparently remove any anomalous tempo changes at certain bars.
That's not Charlie's fault because all I asked was "Is there a way to globally set tempo".
Having followed the instruction, I imagined that the red lines under the bars came on as a result of this action. This thought was strengthened by the fact that ALL the bars ended up with red underline - not just the 2x Bars that you have identified.
All this has taught me about the underlying/lurking tempo map that is created at the start of each song.
I can hear all the contributors to this thread groaning in their hands !! I'm sure they would all have spotted my blunder if they hadn't taken me on my word that there were no tempo changes.
What an invaluable asset this Forum is to all BIAB users and what a treasure of willing good souls. THANK YOU ALL !!! My sincere apologies if you feel that I've wasted your time.
I shall start afresh in Cakewalk by importing the refreshed BIAB song and simply (??) re-do the vocals (hopefully with a lot more Elvis groove to it).
Oh my, I wasn't very clear at all with the tempo instructions.
I provided both steps of the process to set an even tempo to 129 but I was not clear that to complete the process was actually done in two steps.
My instructions read as though the two steps were not related though as you learned, they are. I'm sorry about that oversight.
Looking back at that post, I should have been clear that you should open the ACW Chord Wizard utilities to erase the tempo map and then reset the Master Tempo to the desired setting.
I use the ACW Chord Wizard Utilities rather than the Reset All Bars from the Bar settings window because using Reset All Bars in the Bar Settings Window removes all the changes to every bar where using the Erase Tempo Map in the ACW Chord Wizard Utilities only erases the Tempo map and has no effect on any other changes made to all the Bars such as mute, return to normal, style changes, Realtrack changes or patch changes.
Charlie was the one that put me onto "Reset All Bars" to clear the tempo map. But the whole idea of this exercise was to save you redoing the vocals. As there are only 2 bars in the whole song with a slower tempo you could split and align that vocal track to the corrected BB tracks.
I seem to have jumped the gun fellas, when saying it was all syncing. My vocals trip out of alignment at Bar 36 for 3x Bars and then fall in again, so I'm still snipping the vocal track and trying to align.
To be honest, if it takes much more fiddling, I will just go to a new vocal take. All the other tracks do sync perfectly and I'm very happy with how my EZD drum arrangement fits in.
I do believe that my current situation is due to my trying to snip and align the vocals to the original BIAB song which contained the 2x Bars with a tempo change. Now that I have replaced those tracks with
a new, corrected set of BIAB tracks, it seems to be making it that bit more difficult to align somehow. That is down to my not being wholly proficient with Cakewalk. That will change from here on.
What really matters is that BIAB and EZD work perfectly together which makes me happy and you all chipped in to get to the cause of my self-imposed problem. I have been wonderfully educated.
I guess this wraps up this case. I look forward sometime in the future to return the favour by helping others on this Forum.
yeah, hang in there. 3 bars needing a timing adjustment shouldn't equal rerecording the vocals. Not in any DAW; whether it be Bandlab, Reaper, RB, PT or whatever.
If you are trying the snip method (cut/paste) maybe try the slide method instead (usually done by holding the CTRL key down and dragging the desired section on a timeline view) so you can see the alignment ..
very worst case, rerecord that one verse and paste it over
Last edited by rharv; 03/17/2002:25 PM.
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