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My wife plays the flute with me on keys. She took 5 years of University Music, Honours Bachelor of Music, Honors Music Ed. Took piano from 5 years old until it was her final major at school. I know she's way beyond me, for example they give us Brass Band parts, Trombone bass clef, in the wrong key (Trombone guys play in C) and she grabs the score and just writes the new part, in the treble clef, in the right key for Bflat horn, as fast as you can see it happen.
Anyway, she plays the flute, the clarinet, the oboe,the bassoon, the sax, violin, and probably a whack of stuff she never talks about because she was studying to be a high school music band teacher and decided not to do it. She taught piano part time for a few years.
I'm putting together the 'rest of our lives' LOL. Thus the Bose L1 model 2, the Voicelive, the foot controller, the new mic, plus 2 shure mics, stands, etc.
I'm guessing I should get her a wind controller, but know nothing about fingerings etc. Money is not really a problem, unlike my freaking health which is another story. I can get good pay for night gigs I turn down, have some standing invitations at 200 or 300 a night but am not really wanting to stay up past 11. Go figure.
Anyway, 90 percent of the time I record the income against my expenses, and then donate back the money as me and get the tax thing back. I don't need money really, and I can afford to spend 5k or so to get the rest of this going. The flute is junk, but I can spend 10k on a flute and we are sort of 2 dimensional. I'm going to get her a decent keyboard, and want to explore this wind controller thing. I know Notes has one, but what is state of the art, what's with the fingering, how tough is it to set up...
Just looking for advice.
Hope I don't amputate my knee with a dirty kitchen knife before the responses. No one should be this old. I suspect I tore an arthritic ligament. Not the first time...not the last.
Oh well thanks in advance....
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I have an Akai EWI 4000s. It was purchased from Patchman Music with their set of sounds. Go to: www.patchmanmusic.com to check it out. Later, Ray
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Ok thanks guys but the pluses and the minuses are what I want.
Nice to say this and that, but I'm not the guru of the thing.
And I'm not (in case you ever noticed) succinct. So ELOBORATE, yours cost this much but you wish you bought that...yours fingers like...yours can do xyz...get me.
I appreciate a link, but really this is like me telling you how to buy a chainsaw, a subject which I know everything about, including my prejudices, which are probably misleading. Just fishing here, and by the way, 8k was a tad over my idea of a budget, but if she sounds like Kenny G playing anything and helps me make a #1 single ok.
LOL.
The biggest advantage is she's 12 years younger, good looking, blonde, nice smile, good package, musical, and everywhere we play the guys try and figure out why she's with me. They have no idea about my cooking, or her love of leaning, and her favorite phrase is.."I'm never cease to be amazed by the s**t you know. How can you sing the overture to Verdi's Giovanna D'arco note for note ....and I can't say how, I heard it before.. which is meaningless...but she likes it.
I still am laughing because I started humming something to put my grandson (9 months) to sleep the other night and she says "What was that tune?" I said Barber's Adagio for strings, why...? She had to go and listen to it and I don't remember why I know it nor from where. Nice music, very ODD guy. She went to Wikipedia and says ..he was like..and I finish the sentence. I know, and don't know why. Read it once...
Anyway have at me here...I want more than I have this and here's the link, who, what, when where why how. If you had 2k to buy one and can finger a flute and a licorice stick, and an oboe, what would you want?
Sorry, just need Elaboration....
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John, You just said you wanted wind controller advice, not how to use it! LOL. Bob 
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I lean left and there's wind. I lean right and there's wind. pfft.
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Hi John
I have had a yamaha WX5 windcontroller for the last 5 years and it is brilliaint and for someone as talented as your
wife it would be a piece of cake,you really need a yamaha VL70m modual which is mono and it gives you all the different
instruments using pysical modelling and you get the nearest sounds to real instruments,you get a few differant types
of fingering like saxaphone and flute,the mouthpiece is like a clarinet or saxaphone,i get as much fun playing the wx5 as
i do playing acoustic ones,i have never owned a AKIA type and the musician who have do say they play really well
nearly all the music on my web site is played using the wx5 and i have forgotten what it is at this time but if your
intrested i will put it in another reply
regards Dave Hoskins
I always play the right notes but not always in the right order
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I’m learning to play an Akai EWI-USB. Check the video here then download the manual. The vid will tell you everything you need to know about it. You can pick up a new one for $300 USD.
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John, I've played a Yamaha WX5 for over 10 years. Dave gave a good description; the fingering will be no problem at all for someone who has played any woodwind.
A disadvantage, again as Dave said, is that you should get a special hardware sound module that interprets the note bends of a wind instrument, and I too use the Yamaha VL70.
Akai makes two models, but the more expensive one has the sound module built right into the instrument. Makes things a lot simpler hooking it up on a gig. I haven't played it, though.
I prefer playing my real flute or soprano sax, for the sound, so I normally just use the WX5 for things I don't own or know how to play, particularly string bass. In one theater show, I covered the lead trumpet part and the bass part, playing whichever was more valuable to the music at the time. I've accompanied my wife, who plays guitar, and do bass for most of the song, flip a key to take a piccolo solo, and flip back to bass. Crowd pleasing stuff like that.
I realize you both play keyboard too, but you can also connect one of these and enter melodies into BIAB. There are a few tricks, notably blocking all the spurious MIDI messages that result from typical imperfect fingering technique on the thing. It literally sends a million MIDI messages if you let it.
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I've used BEANO before. Works pretty good.
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As this is white bean country, and we have bean festivals, there are expectations. Unless you have a wood stove it takes $20 to make 6 bucks worth of beans. 9 hours in the oven. But if you soak and drain, boil and drain, boil and drain, you get much less wind which you can control. If you don't do the above you have no control over the gas and every step is an adventure in song.
Thompson's white beans, now I just make them on the woodstove in the cabin.
And men have gas, I heard women don't because they tend to have it escape out their mouth....
I live with 2 women and it's shut up John week. ahhhhh...
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If you could figure out a way to hook up USB to this, it would definitely be an inexpensive controller. And after the gig, you could eat it! Carrot clarinet: http://wimp.com/carrotclarinet/Bob 
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Looked like Jordan Rudess (sp?) very funny. If that's him he did a bunch of stuff on weird instruments on Youtube some is semi conventional, and amazing.
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I'm bumping this because I'm serious about finding someone who has used both the Yamaha and 'other' wind controllers.
Should it be usb?
Can it use the Ketron while the computer is using the Ketron?
Other stuff....it's like me shopping for a sailboat. I know nothing at all about it, except the wind blows it around.
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Can it use the Ketron while the computer is using the Ketron?
Well, the answer is a qualified, "yes" here.
For example, when using the Ketron with a program like Band in a Box, you could use the Wind Controller on MIDI Thru channel much the same as you would use a keyboard controller.
In a sequencing program like RB, PT, etc. you should be able to do likewise, but here you may have to set your MIDI channel manually. For example, have the Wind Controller on one MIDI channel, leaving the other 15 channels free to play back any backing tracks. There are global Thru settings in the host programs that may have to be addressed.
Now comes the big question of how to use the Wind Controller at the same time as the Keyboard Controller. Either two people or one person who wants to switch from keyboard to EWI during live performance.
Yes, you can.
One way to do this, perhaps the simplest, is to utilize the MIDI In on the Keyboard controller, with its MIDI out hooked to the computer. With the Wind Controller connected to the keyboard controller's MIDI in (if it has one) you then would likely have to get into the manual for that controller and learn how to route that input on that channel directly thru to the output.
OR -- even though BiaB can only recognize one MIDI output at a time, I have found that in some cases I can select more than one MIDI input at the same time. So if your computer MIDI connect has two inputs, you can try that method. Hook keyboard controller to MIDI IN-1 and wind controller to MIDI IN-2. This may only work well for the one-man show situation, though, as there will still be only one Thru channel in BiaB and you wouldn't be able to have two different patches going at the same time.
The real answer is going to lie in getting your hands on a wind controller and experimenting with your system, though. Yeah, I know. Bill Clinton just called and said to tell ya that he feels yer pain...
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Wow the way you left Bill Clinton's barn door open there blew even me away. Wind Controller or not.
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I have the Akai EWI USB, I had lot's of issues getting it to work with BIAB. It works fine as an input with Sonar, and Finale and Sibelius. Reason works well also. I'm not sure what the problem is with BIAB. I know that the EWI works. I don't really like the fingering system, but the breath input and configuration is cool, once you learn how to use it.
Hope this helps you,
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In order to get the most from any synth with a wind-controller, the synth should be able to accept CC2 (breath) That's the purpose of having a "wind" controller.
I believe there are USB to midi adapters for use with a hardware synth.
As far as models/brands???
The WX5 & both EWI's have sax/flute fingering. (EWI is also capable of trumpet fingering)
My experience with the WX5...it sometimes seemed to "click" at each note, something I haven't experienced with the Synthophone.
The Morrison Digital Trumpet, EWI & EVI for someone who is used to valve instruments.
The Synthophone is an actual sax that has been modified.
Then there is also the Yamaha BC3 which can be used with a keyboard & also sends CC2.
While wind-controllers share many traits of acoustic counterparts, they are completely different in some ways & there IS a learning curve. Wind-controllers are not as forgiving as acoustic counterparts. There's no covering up a mistake. Nothing gets lost on the way to the bell, since there is no bell.
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Here's my advice. If she wants to emulate other instruments (sax, guitar, trumpet, trombone, harmonica, etc.) get a WX5 with the VL70m tone module (both Yamaha). If you can afford it, get the TURBO chip model from patchman music. If she is interested in pure synth sounds, either controller will do. Personally, I think the WX5 is a better controller because it is just that, a controller. You don't have to pay for the synth inside of it, that might not be what you want (personally I think the EWI synth sounds like a light imitation of an old mini-moog - but that's just my personal taste coming through - a lot of others like it). Also I like the keys better than touch pads and the discreet octave keys instead of rollers (makes it easier to jump multiple octaves without a glitch... AND (this is important to me) on the WX5 the "reed" gives you total control over vibrato. The bite sensor of the EWI uses capacitance and the speed of return to zero pitch is not user controllable, it is the discharge time of the capacitor, making slow, dreamy vibrato effects impossible with the mouth. Some have mastered doing with their fingers on the pitch bend plates, but I don't think it is as easy. I would not encourage a Ketron or any other sample based sound module. After playing the flute, she will not be satisfied with them. The sounds are too static. The VL70m uses physical modeling, so that the breath nuances that a player uses will be properly interpreted by the synth and expressive. Hear some short clips here: http://www.nortonmusic.com/clips.htmlIf she does get the WX5, I have a web page dedicated to the proper setup of the instrument. It is the result of years of experience on Yamaha controllers dating back to the original WX7, and it has become the go-to reference for all Yamaha WX5 players. You can access that on my table of contents page. Also if either you or your wife want some help, either e-mail me directly or PM me and I'll be more than happy to get you started. Direct e-mail is probably better, as I usually only come here once a day. One more thing; there is a yahoo group and a forum for wind controller players. Let me know if you or your wife is interested and I'll be happy to forward the links. Notes
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Thanks to all, and Notes, I did find all your posts and setup stuff, I'm pondering. I was fooling around with the Ketron one day, and noodling with one hand using the flute. She was blown away, said something about that's it,no sense in getting it out I can never sound that good. Now I was fooling with the pitch bend lever, pushing it sideways bends and back causes a vibrato like you'd have on a leslie.
As we both play 'horns' there is some level of interest in the emulations.
And the Music program for high school wanna be teachers here means you take 1 semester courses or 2 instruments a year for 4 years, 8 instruments and you have to take percussion, horn, woodwind, and a string instrument to get the degree. Lots of other stuff too, but she played 2 instruments in high school band first, so we've got some flexibility. I never thought we'd hear me singing but the Bose has changed that big time. I just need to work out the pre-amps, the setups, and ensure that I have my voice where i can actually hear it properly. When I tried singing in a band, with a floor monitor, it was always the war of the volume knobs, and eventually I couldn't hear at all.
Now with the bose the sound is different somehow, and I can control and lock the volumes on each song so it's somehow way more fun.
I was experimenting with my baritone horn and the TC Helicon, that's an interesting mix. I need to record it with my video camera and see, it's hard to hear the overtones and end result, maybe I need to hook up the earphones....
Thanks everyone for the input, I guess I'm getting out the pencil and paper.
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