Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
J
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
J
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
Or, just as simple,

1) enter my chords and generate for the first time
2) select bars I want to regenerate
3) right-click those bars and select regenerate for the track I want to change which changes ONLY THE SELECTED BARS ON THE SELECTED TRACK
4) implement full undo so I can return if I want

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
With RealBand I can regenerate just 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 beats in a bar, in Biab it selects 1 bar at a time, would you leave it as one bar or would there be a way to select beat to beat without it affecting other functions that use the selection like copy, loop etc.. maybe Alt+drag to highlight beat to beat ??

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,256
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,256
Originally Posted By: Pipeline
With RealBand I can regenerate just 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 beats in a bar, in Biab it selects 1 bar at a time, would you leave it as one bar or would there be a way to select beat to beat without it affecting other functions that use the selection like copy, loop etc.. maybe Alt+drag to highlight beat to beat ??

At beat level would certainly be superior to bar level.
I would prefer the functionality delivered by RealBand to be utilized.


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,687
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 7,687
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn


And anyway, your description of BIAB always playing something different isn't a benefit, rather, it is one of the main problems in an actual crummy band...the guys can't remember their parts and always play things different when you (and the listeners) want them to play it the same!


John! Wrong! Don't be so literal! You haven't read what Peter has written about that! Argue with him about it! Gee, writing with all these exclamation points is tedious doncha think!

Bob! Sorry this is becoming a habit..

Bob


Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
J
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
J
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
Originally Posted By: jazzmammal
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn


And anyway, your description of BIAB always playing something different isn't a benefit, rather, it is one of the main problems in an actual crummy band...the guys can't remember their parts and always play things different when you (and the listeners) want them to play it the same!


John! Wrong! Don't be so literal! You haven't read what Peter has written about that! Argue with him about it! Gee, writing with all these exclamation points is tedious doncha think!

Bob! Sorry this is becoming a habit..

Bob


I've already experienced this and it is NOT desirable to me. Not in the least!!! If I hear the guitar player OR BIAB play a riff I like for the song I don't wanna hear something different next time!!!

Here, have a few more you can use in your response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,797
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,797
Isn’t this recent sub-discussion irrelevant? If you like having BIAB play the same way each time, freeze the tracks. If you don’t, enjoy the new changes the program provides each regeneration. But let’s not muddy the request, which is bar-by-bar regeneration in BIAB for whatever reason you want it.


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
Amen.
Now let's get back to the implementation of it.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
J
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
J
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
Amen...+1...I agree!

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
JJJ,
This:
"3) right-click those bars and select regenerate for the track I want to change which changes ONLY THE SELECTED BARS ON THE SELECTED TRACK"

Having hard time imagining this. I get how you would select a "bar(s)" but how would you select a specific track to regenerate? I assume you click the actual single track tab after you make your bar selection?

I guess, your request by default assumes all tracks will remain the same (Frozen!) after first generation, only allowing for selective regeneration.

Another thought why "partial bar freeze" might work better. Imagine a song with 3 choruses / 3 verses. If you want to regenerate all 3 choruses at once, you simply would select stuff you want to change,freezing the rest. A bar selection in MULTIPLE places would be needed. A tool that was available in many graphics programs for many years "Inverse Selection" also might be a very useful.

*And with partial freeze, you can have the option to "unfreeze" all to have the effect of randomness for the whole track, as we have now.

*There also should be an option to regenerate all tracks within selected bars.

To me and I am sure to many average users, just logic is not enough. It has to be done nicely, with design in mind, not just a function.
Ease of use! The "feature" that was currently implemented, "multiriffs for BIAB"., Idea is good, implementation, well...to put it gently, desires maturity. What I am trying to say, just to "have the feature" is not enough, it has to be thought out well. To me, this (bar by bar or partial freeze) is a HUGE feature, and if it ever gets implemented, I want it implemented the right way.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
J
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
J
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
JJJ,
This:
"3) right-click those bars and select regenerate for the track I want to change which changes ONLY THE SELECTED BARS ON THE SELECTED TRACK"

Having hard time imagining this. I get how you would select a "bar(s)" but how would you select a specific track to regenerate? I assume you click the actual single track tab after you make your bar selection?

I guess, your request by default assumes all tracks will remain the same (Frozen!) after first generation, only allowing for selective regeneration.

Another thought why "partial bar freeze" might work better. Imagine a song with 3 choruses / 3 verses. If you want to regenerate all 3 choruses at once, you simply would select stuff you want to change,freezing the rest. A bar selection in MULTIPLE places would be needed. A tool that was available in many graphics programs for many years "Inverse Selection" also might be a very useful.

*And with partial freeze, you can have the option to "unfreeze" all to have the effect of randomness for the whole track, as we have now.

*There also should be an option to regenerate all tracks within selected bars.

To me and I am sure to many average users, just logic is not enough. It has to be done nicely, with design in mind, not just a function.
Ease of use! The "feature" that was currently implemented, "multiriffs for BIAB"., Idea is good, implementation, well...to put it gently, desires maturity. What I am trying to say, just to "have the feature" is not enough, it has to be thought out well. To me, this (bar by bar or partial freeze) is a HUGE feature, and if it ever gets implemented, I want it implemented the right way.

My goal is to try and define the simplest possible pseudo-code outline that just cannot be misinterpreted! smile I thought previous discussions we have had on this forum were pretty clear as to what was desirable for bar-by-bar regeneration so, frankly, I was surprised and disappointed with the complicated "solution" they came up with.

To clarify, I am talking about a new feature for Regen that does not change ANYTHING with the current Generate & Play feature. In fact, it does not change ANYTHING else in the program to ensure no side effects we don't want or need!

You select your bars and then right-click and the popup has the following choices,
------------------------
CLICK TRACK BELOW TO REGENERATE SELECTED BARS
------------------------
0 Bass
0 Piano
0 Drums
0 Guitar
0 Strings
0 Melody
0 Soloist
------------------------

You select one and BAM it regenerates ONLY the selected bars on ONLY the selected track. No button to click after selecting. Just select bars and then select track and BAM...it regenerates ONLY what you chose and returns you to the program. Now you are sitting right where you were before with NOTHING changed except what you chose to change. You can listen to the changed section and if you like it freeze that track and save your file. If you don't like it select the bars and repeat.

To me this seems so simple from a user's perspective and not difficult to program.

Last edited by JohnJohnJohn; 01/03/20 09:10 AM.
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
J
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
J
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,558
Originally Posted By: Pipeline
With RealBand I can regenerate just 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 beats in a bar, in Biab it selects 1 bar at a time, would you leave it as one bar or would there be a way to select beat to beat without it affecting other functions that use the selection like copy, loop etc.. maybe Alt+drag to highlight beat to beat ??

My thought is you probably keep it bar-by-bar instead of beat-by-beat with an eye toward later enhancing it to that level. Keep it simple to actually get it done.

But with that said, I don't know enough about how RealTrack riffs are stored and optimized. Are they mostly stored in even bar increments? In other words, one riff is one bar long while another is two bars long, etc. Or, are they random lengths? This would be a major factor in getting them to line up correctly.

If we knew more about how the RealTracks are sliced and stored we could apply that to our proposed solution but lacking that info I think bar-by-bar may be the much simpler direction.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,797
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,797
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn
...I don't know enough about how RealTrack riffs are stored and optimized. Are they mostly stored in even bar increments? ...
My understanding is they are from one to eight bars long.


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
JJJ,

Ok, a "Pop Up".. I see it better now smile


However! If you change anything anywhere,shot, hold, chord etc. before or after "bar-to bar" section, you brand new regeneration section would probably melt away, surrendering to randomness. That is where I believe selected bar freeze would be very handy.


JJJ, the idea of bar-to-bar deserves +10, but I am worried that if it is not fully thought out, it might be more complicated to change things later in the game....that might be MUCH easier to add right from the start smile

Just saying.

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
.....However! If you change anything anywhere,shot, hold, chord etc. before or after "bar-to bar" section, you brand new regeneration section would probably melt away, surrendering to randomness. That is where I believe selected bar freeze would be very handy..


You will have to elaborate a bit more on that or post some pics.
Do you mean after you generated the new bars you may want to change something else ???
Would you not freeze the track after the new bars are generated that you like, then if you find another section that needs new bars generated you would just un-freeze change the chord and re-generate those bars then freeze the track.
Not sure how you would keep track of selective bar freezing for every track ?

Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
Pipeline,
You have to forgive my drawing. The point I am trying to make is that a user should be able to retain re-generated sections and still be able to change other places in the project without fear that generated part(s) will "go away". That is why you need PG Bottox-selected bar freeze.

If you freeze all, then = game over for this project. You can not change anything.

If you unfreeze and change a chord anywhere, I believe whole thing (whole project) will re-generate once you hit play button., Most likely losing your previous by bar generation.

I hope this makes sense.



Last edited by Rustyspoon#; 01/03/20 06:49 PM.
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
Like that ?

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
Bars-Freeze.png (16.73 KB, 89 downloads)
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
OP Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
So this would be no freeze:

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
Bars-Freeze-None.png (17.74 KB, 85 downloads)
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,256
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,256
Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
Pipeline,
You have to forgive my drawing. The point I am trying to make is that a user should be able to retain re-generated sections and still be able to change other places in the project without fear that generated part(s) will "go away". That is why you need PG Bottox-selected bar freeze.

If you freeze all, then = game over for this project. You can not change anything.

If you unfreeze and change a chord anywhere, I believe whole thing (whole project) will re-generate once you hit play button., Most likely losing your previous by bar generation.


Yes, I can see that there is going to be a requirement to have a protection mechanism so that your previously selected favorite bars are not affected by a chord change somewhere else in the song, which then causes the entire track to be regenerated.


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,256
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 18,256
Pipelines idea is good. A display shows specifically what segments have been generated (historically) and allows those bars to be frozen (the orange could change to blue for the frozen track segments).


BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones
Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
Veteran
Online Content
Veteran
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 5,754
Pipeline, that looks like an interesting creature.

I was actually thinking in simpler terms. Follow the idea that JJJ described as "Bam bam..."(bar-to-bar)
Then just selecting these bars, once happy with generation, right click---> "apply glue" so the whole bar block(s) including generation stays in place, regardless of any other changes to arrangement.

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To
Page 2 of 4 1 2 3 4

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

Video: Volume Automation in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created a video to help you learn more about the Volume Automation options in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows.

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Volume Automation

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#volume-automation

Video: Audio Input Monitoring with Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®

We've created this short video to explain Audio Input Monitoring within Band-in-a-Box® 2024, and included some tips & troubleshooting details too!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024: Audio Input Monitoring

3:17: Tips
5:10: Troubleshooting

www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024full/chapter11.htm#audio-input-monitoring

Video: Enhanced Melodists in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows®!

We've enhanced the Melodists feature included in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows!

Access the Melodist feature by pressing F7 in the program to open the new MultiPicker Library and locate the [Melodist] tab.

You can now generate a melody on any track in the program - very handy! Plus, you select how much of the melody you want generated - specify a range, or apply it to the whole track.

See the Melodist in action with our video, Band-in-a-Box® 2024: The Melodist Window.

Learn even more about the enhancements to the Melodist feature in Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/manuals/bbw2024upgrade/chapter3.htm#enhanced-melodist

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 DAW Plugin Version 6: New Features Specifically for Reaper®

New with the DAW Plugin Version 6.0, released with Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows: the Reaper® Panel!

This new panel offers built-in specific support for the Reaper® DAW API allowing direct transfer of Band-in-a-Box® files to/from Reaper® tracks!

When you run the Plugin from Reaper®, there is a panel to set the following options:
-BB Track(s) to send: This allows you to select the Plugin tracks that will be sent Reaper.
-Destination Reaper Track: This lets you select the destination Reaper track to receive media content from the Plugin.
-At Bar: You can select a bar in Reaper where the Plugin tracks should be placed.
-Start Below Selected Track: This allows you to place the Plugin tracks below the destination Reaper track.
-Overwrite Reaper Track: You can overwrite previous content on the destination Reaper track.
-Move to Project Folder: With this option, you can move the Plugin tracks to the Reaper project folder.
-Send Reaper Instructions Enable this option to send the Reaper Instructions instead of rendering audio tracks, which is faster.
-Render Audio & Instructions: Enable this option to generate audio files and the Reaper instructions.
-Send Tracks After Generating: This allows the Plugin to automatically send tracks to Reaper after generating.
-Send Audio for MIDI Track: Enable this option to send rendered audio for MIDI tracks.
-Send RealCharts with Audio: If this option is enabled, Enable this option to send RealCharts with audio.

Check out this video highlighting the new Reaper®-specific features: Band-in-a-Box® DAW Plugin Version 6: New Features Specifically for Reaper®

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 DAW Plugin Version 6: New Features Video

The new Band-in-a-Box VST DAW Plugin Verion 6 adds over 20 new features!

Watch the new features video to learn more: Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2024 - DAW Plugin Version 6 New Features

We also list these new features at www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.plugin.htm.

Forum Statistics
Forums66
Topics81,391
Posts732,462
Members38,439
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
Newest Members
MIX-I-MUSIX 2.0, Ernest J, ingridguerci94, Izzy, BenChaz
38,441 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 195
Al-David 124
DC Ron 113
dcuny 87
rsdean 83
Today's Birthdays
CeeDee, SethMould
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5