I had a quick look at Studio One and got it to send the BiabVst midi channels out to the instrument tracks, see pic below. Reaper is really easy.
To generate midi only with the audio files Generate > Custom > All Pages (Midi Only) there is no option on each track's + to generate midi only without the wav.
And here are the track channels thanks to MusicStudent Track Channel Bass 2 Piano 3 Melody 4 Thru 5 Guitar 6 Strings 7 Soloist 8 Drums 10
Another way I found is with ElementVST, you simply load the Element vst3i or vst3fx click view top right now simply drag the Band-in-a-Box DAW VST3 Plugin.vst3 into it and the other instruments you need connect them up click MIDI in the list on the left and set channel from Omni to the instrument channel of the selected VST *Make sure you have EXT on up in the top left so it receives sync. Save that Element setup then just simply load it each session. You can add whatever you need in Element like a midi transpose to transpose the midi signal up or down an octave.
If you want more midi just use another instance of the BiabVst. Full Screen Pic
Okay that looks kind of cool. You obviously put a lot of time and effort into that demo. Thank you for that. Help me understand why I would need to do that rather than just drag the midi tracks into the DAW and work with them there? What would be a situation that would call for that type of setup?
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That's how all plugins that generate midi work, you send the midi output to a vsti when you are happy with the midi track or phrase you drag it into the DAW. Same with Audio, you may have Direct Input multiriffs in one instance of the Plugin, you load Amplitube/Guitar Rig after the BiabVst or create an audio send to a track with Amplitube/Guitar Rig on and simply solo (well that's not a simple action how it is now) the riff to preview in situ. That's why other Plugins have solo/mute buttons, so you can see now why solo mute are totally important (and the track midi channel setting), you need it to be professional like the session musicians that play the tracks. The BiabVst originally worked the same as the video below, no syncing just drag tracks out, no advantage than using Biab in Plugin Mode. If you just want to drag all the audio and midi tracks into the DAW just use this method:
Now I understand what you are saying. I can see some value in that. My next question is this, since the plugin does not have midi tools to move/add/delete/ change notes or cc commands, etc isn’t what you are proposing more suited for RB which already has that capability. I get what you are saying about hearing the track prior to dragging, but you can manipulate it to make changes, the real charts are created from audio, and the midi tracks from style creation. Once generated they are what they are going to be.
Just seems like if one wants to do a bunch of midi work this not the right tool. RB, or BiaB is more suited. But hey maybe your right on this one. We will have to wait and see. At the least the plugin getting pretty stable and the basics now work pretty darned good.
As far as solo/mute buttons that I can see happening at some point. I have always liked your ideas on that. I will say once you work with it as is it is easy to solo or mute, but buttons would be better for new users
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Now I understand what you are saying. I can see some value in that. My next question is this, since the plugin does not have midi tools to move/add/delete/ change notes or cc commands, etc isn’t what you are proposing more suited for RB which already has that capability. Mac users don't have RB and most users use a DAW like Studio One that they like and doesn't crash I get what you are saying about hearing the track prior to dragging, but you can manipulate it to make changes, the real charts are created from audio, and the midi tracks from style creation. Once generated they are what they are going to be. You are generating up a midi track that could be a style, midi soloist or a super track you can't know if it's gonna fit by name sake, most realchart piano is Real from the Yamaha piano with midi out and I don't think they play the same thing all the time for the same chord. Once you find a midi track that sounds good with the tracks you already have in the DAW THEN you drag it in and do any editing if need be.
Just seems like if one wants to do a bunch of midi work this not the right tool. RB, or BiaB is more suited. But hey maybe your right on this one. We will have to wait and see. At the least the plugin getting pretty stable and the basics now work pretty darned good. I think you are looking at it from a long time BB RB user and not from a NEW DAW ONLY user adding extra tracks to session recording as this is something that happens out in the NON Biab world. You have to come from the point that you have never used Biab in your life, you need to be an outsider. If you just cater to old Biab users the Plugin will will be limited to this little niche market and old Biab users don't live forever.
As far as solo/mute buttons that I can see happening at some point. I have always liked your ideas on that. I will say once you work with it as is it is easy to solo or mute, but buttons would be better for new users You can have 26 tracks in the plugin, if you have a lot of tracks synced and playing but the guitar don't sound right and you want to solo it ?? Like I said I had to work out how to use it then explain this to countless other users, there no way I should have to do this, as it stands there would be so many other users that still don't know how to use it ! right clicking double clicking no solo honestly ! so many users got totally &^$@#^ off with it and gave up and I said that would happen in beta if it's released how it is. There is an industry standard solo mute same as cars accelerator brake you don't have one pedal you press with the left foot for one action and the right foot for the other action. You need to look at it not from whatever limited way you use it and say well other should just use it in this limited way also, but think about other DAW only users otherwise the BiabVst will stay limited. Also with the BiabVst when you select All pages(Midi Only) it will do that for the first page but the other pages will all have wav files also. If this was in the Reaper or other DAW forums you would not have 1 but 100's of users saying the same thing as me. The post I quoted with the user not being able to work out the syncing of the Plugin was from the Reaper forum.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. That helps me see where your coming from.
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