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#598654 - 05/23/20 06:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request
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Hi there all, I am wish listing the E chord played a fret higher to be added to biab....

I’m putting a Spanish flavour tune together and want that Esus4, E sound.
The chord has a really over complicated name, and I can’t get biab to recognise it.
It’s an Esus4(b6B9) which is just an E major played a fret higher up the neck.
Any assistance from your team and the forum in this would be much appreciated.

Best regards
Mark

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#598661 - 05/23/20 07:47 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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Great first post Mark. Welcome.

If that's not currently available on guitar then it's as good request for support.
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#598675 - 05/23/20 10:19 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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Welcome to the forum.

Was that a typo of B9? Is that supposed to be b6b9?

I’ve never encountered that chord. If you have a MIDI keyboard, try Windows menu, MIDI Chord Detection. Play the notes and see what the program suggests.

I don’t play guitar so I have no clue, but I always imagined that if you shift all the fingers of an E chord up one fret, you get an F chord. So you must not be fretting all six strings?
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#598708 - 05/23/20 03:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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Thanks guys for your welcome and reply posts, it’s much appreciated, and thanks for the tips.
Yeah it’s just an open E maj on guitar moved up one fret but you don’t barre, so the rest of the strings are open. An Esus is close, biab doesn’t allow me to enter Esus4 so I will have to work around it for now.
Cheers!

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#598715 - 05/23/20 05:33 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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Thanks. For the non guitarists among us like me, perhaps you could specify what strings play what. I last played an E chord from Mel Bay in 1960.

Now, about the Esus4. BIAB has a few conventions when entering chords. Esus is Esus4.
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#598747 - 05/24/20 02:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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What RealTrack guitar are you using ?
You can create any chord you like using midi with sforzando instruments from the PG music sfz library.
This one is matched to the sound of one of the RealTrack guitars so you can use F5 to mute the RealTrack then play your own midi or a modified RealChart midi.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6krkobu3yb65wsr/RealTrack-ShinyGuitar.mp4?dl=0

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=415151#Post415151
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#598755 - 05/24/20 03:51 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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Hi Matt, (think I’m there...), FMAJ13/E will work, and biab accepts it.

Workings out:
EMaj
Notes G# E B
Up one fret goes to:
A F C and open E

It would look like:
1E open
2B open
3G 2nd fret = A
4D 3rd fret = F
5A 3rd fret = C
6E open

Thanks for the nod to the F!! :-)
I’ve found a RTrack Spanish style too which I might lift some strings from, only the 1 style in there so I will search to see any of the extra paks have any Spanish real tracks
Mel Bay - get in there!!
Cheers!

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#598811 - 05/24/20 11:00 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Pipeline]
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Thanks Pipeline I will look into that.
I’m using 898 and 900 acoustic strumming from Pat McGrath.
Thanks! Mark.

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#598822 - 05/24/20 12:21 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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Mark, an FMaj13/E would have the 13th, a D. I don't see that in your chord.

I think you are spelling, from root up:
E
C
F
A
B
E

So that would be Fmaj7(#11)/E or FMaj7(b5)/E depending on which register the B falls. BIAB won't take FMaj7(#11) - it will accept Fmaj9(#11) if you can live with a G. But it will accept FMaj7(b5)/E and I'm pretty sure that's the Malaguena-type sound you want.

And I'm going to leave Mel Bay right where I left him 60 years ago.
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#599932 - 05/31/20 01:07 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Really simple chord but a ‘redic’ name request to be added to BIAB request [Re: Mark H]
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Sorry to disappoint you, but the phrygian chord (as in Flamenco) can be notated as 7susb9b13, but can not be “played”.
Piano can play it, but bass can not. Not even in the MIDI styles.
This thread has a lot of information about that https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=77508&Number=599931#Post599931
And this youtube video can help https://youtu.be/dNdrtjwdlik

Band in a box is very limited in the harmony department, sadly.

Fmaj9#11/E is the harmonically right thing to write. But personally, I’d go for F/E. it will be easier to read and will help you get a grasp on slash chords. You will see the F/E chord often in the New Real Books for instance, it’s common in jazz since Miles’ wonderful Sketches of Spain. Check Mark Levine’s books for advice on slash chords.
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