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I almost hear you sigh, sorry. I got you the first time, but didn’t express myself clearly. It’s a great idea. No soloist, but the solo track.

I use the solo track a lot (not the soloist, sorry for the misnomer): for transcription, for recording my midi piano, to work on my lousy timing, to check out different approaches...

There is a great and underestimated PGMUSIC product: the Modern Jazz Pianist. I imported it in BIAB and sent the midi piano to the solo track to check it out. The work of Renee Rosnes especially is full of deliciously refined modern harmony. There is a lot to be learned from that. On this product they didn’t use the automatic accompaniment of BIAB, because it would sound wrong, the bass part in particular. Sadly there is not much in the way of explanation, so I am often clueless in trying to grasp the harmony behind it. It’s way beyond Mark Levine. Like some of the stuff Miles Black talks about in his Pgmusic Jazz Piano tutorial, also a great source of info.


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Very good.

I don’t have The Modern Jazz Pianist. If someone buys that, can they use a piano track from it in a ‘regular’ BIAB song?


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It’s wonderful

If you open the midi in BIAB you can follow the chords on screen. It’s a pgmusic MIDI and BIAB displays the chords. You can silence drum and bass and choose other accompaniment.

I know this because the original software gives very strange sheet results in Windows 8-10. I was disappointed, but dragging the midi files in BIAB gives you the right chord changes.

It’s very intricate, I said it’s beyond Mark Levine, but that’s not all true. Advanced things I learned from Levine (on slash chords for instance or the “Kenny Barron” chord, the use of phrygian) are omnipresent. And, though I think Renee Rosnes is the big star of the session, Miles Black shows he has some advanced stuff down, also.

I hope Miles Black could one day help us, mortals, to better understand the music (especially what Renee Rosnes does, cause it’s all Hancock, Beirach, Tyner...) on this very underrated piece of software. I’d gladly pay for this tutorial.

With Modern Jazz Pianist, Pgmusic was on the cutting edge of modern jazz. i hope they repeat it one day with todays’ players.


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+1 in support of this request.

A user should be able to program the midi pattern StyleMaker to use ANY conceivable chord or pattern appropriate to the selected midi patch number.

At the very least perhaps it is time for PG Music to revisit the midi pattern StyleMaker. When a retired college professor states the present StyleMaker is beyond his grasp that is telling.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
... When a retired college professor states the present StyleMaker is beyond his grasp that is telling.
Well, now there is a challenge. I doubt it is beyond my grasp. I was put off by it initially, and it is my plan to find time to explore it given the comments of those who say I will benefit by doing so. During the time I'm stranded at home, I'm writing music like crazy. But, point (and nudge) taken. Thanks.


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Matt,

Please do not be offended as no offense was intended.

My hope is PG Music will accept the statement you made and my response as two strong indicators that the midi pattern Stylemaker deserves some attention.

PG Music has started publishing midi styles after neglecting them for a few years. Midi is beginning to have renewed interest so now is an opportune time to give the midi pattern Stylemaker some attention.


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I completely agree!


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
I completely agree!


As do I!


Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.

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Which chords can BIAB really play? Let’s find out in this video.
I tried to sum it up in this video (if you go see it on Youtube, I have some markers to help you switch from part to part).

You can easily try it yourself. Just make a blank style with a scale running up and down for bass and piano. Remember, for a style, you have to stay in C7.

And, to be sure, there is still fun to be had. Check the end of the video.


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Dzjang,

I want to applaud you for your effort directed at identifying a Band-in-a-Box deficiency and making a suggestion to improve the product.

My knowledge of music theory is not strong but you convinced me that the midi Stylemaker can be improved.


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Dzjang,
Thanks for putting in such a big effort to identify what is actually occurring. Your work is appreciated.


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Dzjang, this is interesting and thank you.

I just want to make sure, was it intentional that you used a bass patch on the second half, representing the scales the piano is to play? It's not a bass part in a higher register showing on the treble clef? I'm confused...


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I hear your frustration, and do know that there are many of us supporting your excellent efforts.

Hopefully others that can assist with resolving will see this also.

Excellent effort, and appreciated.


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+1 thanks.
You just got to keep nagging and posting videos and pics, I hate doing it but it's the only way to get things fixed or implemented, though a decade at it does take it out of you.

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I was just making a Biab chord importer for Impro-Visor
https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=600144
It has a Utilities > Voicing Editor where you can add your own chords.
It has a styles editor but I haven't played around with it.

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Great, pipeline,

Sad that Impro-visor has a really un-intuitive style maker. I tried using MIDI files, but failed every time.

On the other hand, impro-visor knows chords and harmony.


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Some say midi styles play wrong notes, but real styles are correct,

Well...




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Thanks for your hard work and dedication Jan.

You have clearly and sensitively articulated a number of areas where the results don't reflect the expectations. Let's hope these areas can be improved.


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Dzjang,
with a lot of effort, you have put together quite exactly where BiaB has problems. As a double bass player, I've been concerned for a long time about the program's somewhat neglected approach to jazz bass accompaniment. And I am quite impressed with your own style files.


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Dzjang,

I appreciate your passion for modern jazz, your knowledge of the limitations of RealTracks, your enthusiasm and desire to share your passion with other people. I listened to some of your style demos and your are a talented creator.

Have your thought of expanding your offerings? You might be the perfect candidate to revive interest in UserTracks.


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