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#604170 - 06/28/20 10:02 AM [Off-Topic] Here we go again, a decade later
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Here we go again, a decade later

I deleted my post from yesterday about this primarily because there are so many other issues that are far more important that are weighing on my mind.

As I thought more about it, I concluded that all of those issues are beyond my control other than the right to vote this fall.

My original post about this problem was on 03/01/2010. Peter Gannon joined the debate and it lasted for a few days. To their credit, PG did isuue videos about a work around to address the problem about 4 years or so later. A "work around" should only be used when you are trying to do something that is outside of standard notation or tablature.

Something that isn't up for debate is how bluegrass music or fiddle tunes are notated. 99.9% of them are notated in 8th notes. The very few that are notated in 16th notes are done by people who have no understanding of the music. PG usually treats them as 16th notes.

So you may ask, "why is that a big deal?" I'll only offer one answer that should be more than sufficient. You can't take a piece of bluegrass sheet music music and enter it into BIAB as it is written in most so called bluegrass styles without using a work around.

I haven't upgraded BIAB since 2014 because of this issue. I don't plan on upgrading or recommending the program to ANYONE until this is corrected.

This may have been corrected in upgrades since then, but I'm not willing to spend hundreds of dollars to find out.

The default timing for bluegrass and most other acoustic music is 4/4 time and it's written in 8th notes. That should be reflected in all of the bluegrass or acoustic styles.

I hope that Peter Gannon weighs in on this as he did before.
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#604186 - 06/28/20 11:48 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Bob,

I don't read sheet music so I can't tell you if the issue is corrected or not. I hope someone can post it is because bluegrass and Band-in-a-Box otherwise complement each other like peanut butter and jelly.
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#604199 - 06/28/20 12:48 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Hello Bob, you have been gone a long time. However, I don't think things have changed that much in regards to you interest. Here is a brief peek at what is in BIAB 2020.

The very bottom chart is from Nov 2019


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#604313 - 06/29/20 05:11 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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bobcflatpicker:

I don't know if you are aware of this forum article or not but it is worth the read if you have not seen it. Peter Gannon shows how to modify any existing 16th based bluegrass style into an 8th based style. He even offers one to download and install.

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=120359&Searchpage=13&Main=18709&Words=Bluegrass&Search=true#Post120359

I have been also griping about this for years now as I have been playing bluegrass since the early 70's.

Since it has been 11 years since I first brought this to their attention and it has not been corrected by PGMUSIC, I took it upon myself to modify my favorite bluegrass styles and saved them as I saw fit. I figured it was easier for me to spend about 1 hour doing this instead of waiting another 11 years for them to do it.

One can only hope.
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#604336 - 06/29/20 06:43 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: jcland]
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Originally Posted By: jcland
bobcflatpicker:

I don't know if you are aware of this forum article or not but it is worth the read if you have not seen it. Peter Gannon shows how to modify any existing 16th based bluegrass style into an 8th based style. He even offers one to download and install.

https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=120359&Searchpage=13&Main=18709&Words=Bluegrass&Search=true#Post120359

I have been also griping about this for years now as I have been playing bluegrass since the early 70's.

Since it has been 11 years since I first brought this to their attention and it has not been corrected by PGMUSIC, I took it upon myself to modify my favorite bluegrass styles and saved them as I saw fit. I figured it was easier for me to spend about 1 hour doing this instead of waiting another 11 years for them to do it.

One can only hope.




I would feel differently about it if I were asking them to do something outside of the box.

I'm just asking them to do it right.
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#604338 - 06/29/20 06:51 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Did I miss something here? I thought the issue was about "notation" not about tempo settings. I assume how the tracks actually play and sound is not an issue because it sounds like bluegrass to me.

But I don't want to open old wounds so, nevermind. crazy
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#604342 - 06/29/20 07:06 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: MusicStudent]
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It's obvious that PG Music knows they have a demand for bluegrass styles or they wouldn't have created so many of them.

What is insulting is that they believe most of us won't realize they are substituting 16th notes instead of using 8th notes as transcribed in 99.9% of written bluegrass music.

Is BIAB unable to process these styles at faster tempos?

If that is the case, at least have the decency to say that's why you notate it incorrectly!

This was frustrating when I started a thread about it 10 years ago. It still hasn't been fixed. Does anyone want to take a guess about how it feels 10 years later?
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#604585 - 06/30/20 07:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Since there hasn't been a response from PG Music, I guess I should just accept they are never going to fix it.

It wouldn't be as bad if I hadn't praised PG Music for their outstanding customer service to friends and fellow musicians over the years.

What really sucks is that PG Music knows for a fact that what I'm saying is 100% correct. And still they refuse to correct it.

I'm done with PG Music as far as BIAB is concerned. I still have friends on the forum so I'll participate there to stay in touch with them. But I'll never again recommend the program to anyone.
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#604590 - 06/30/20 09:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Hi Bob. I don't know the first thing about bluegrass but I do have some information that may help.

I just loaded a demo that had most of the melody in 16th notes, and fixed it rather easily.

In the last couple of years with the new GUI, you do Edit, Song Form, Expand. [This was possible before, but the menu command changed in 2018; same function.] Expand doubles the length of the song, doubles the tempo, and makes the melody notated in mostly eighth notes as you want.

Then I went through the RealTracks that were playing frantically and changed each of them one by one to play Half-time. This feature has been possible for several years now.

What is more recent is something I asked for and got only a few years ago: the ability to alter the RealDrums the same way. You now have the option to make the RealDrums Half-time, which is needed in this example. Note that I had a similar reason to make this request like yours: all the BIAB sambas are written at tempos of around quarter = 200, when most sambas in the real world are composed in 2/2 time using tempos close to half = 100. Much easier to read!

Put it all together and it sounds adequate to me (but again, for bluegrass, I wouldn't really know).

So, to answer your original question, BIAB has not to my knowledge introduced styles that meet your request, but it DOES now have the tools necessary to construct them, if a bit awkwardly.

And has anyone made the request in the Wishlist in the last two years, now that we do have a half-time option in RealDrums? Worth a try.
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#604603 - 07/01/20 04:52 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: Matt Finley]
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Matt,

Thanks for your response. I did post this issue on the Wish List before I started a thread on the Off Topic forum 10 years ago.

It's not that this problem is an unknown issue. PG Music including Peter Gannon have been aware of it for more than a decade.

Awkward work around's just aren't the same as doing it right in the first place.

I hope you and yours are doing well through these troubling times.
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#604617 - 07/01/20 08:19 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Doing fine, Bob, except for not playing any concerts!

So I’m confused. Did you also post this recently in the Wishlist? Or just ten years ago? My point is that BIAB should now be able to do this easily, since the addition of timebase changes in both RealTracks and now RealDrums.

I will pass a message on to the developers anyway. If you have a recent request in the Wishlist with a good problem description, please post the link here. Otherwise I’ll just link to this thread.

Stay well.
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#604652 - 07/01/20 01:33 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: Matt Finley]
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Matt,

I haven't posted it on the wish list recently. Just more than a decade ago and then I started the thread in March of 2010 on the Off Topic forum.

I would greatly appreciate it if you could get the developers to correct this or at least give a serious look at it.

Thank you in advance for your help.
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#604814 - 07/02/20 11:11 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Bobflatpicker March 01, 2010 thread: +++ BIAB and its HUGE problem in handling bluegrass/newgrass/jazzgrass/Dawg +++

June 11, 2010 follow up thread: +++ Bluegrass styles in 8th notes, tempo ranges from 160-220 +++

There is one quote from the original request that is worth repeating.
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This has kept a lot of my friends from buying BIAB because when I show it to them, they are impressed by its capabilities but say “they don’t understand bluegrass”, and they are right.


+1 in support of the request.

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#604816 - 07/02/20 11:24 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Here we go again, a decade later [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Jim, Bob and others: I did report this to the developers yesterday.
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#604817 - 07/02/20 11:41 AM [Off-Topic] Off Topic Peter Gannon Comment [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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It's worth taking the time to read through the thread Bobflatpicker started a decade ago. It is a nice, civil discussion with input from current members like Notes Norton, Jford and Silvertones but also from former members like Mac.

Peter Gannon made a comment about the midi bluegrass styles worth repeating:

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BTW, most if not all of the MIDI bluegrass, newgrass etc. styles that we've done (even and swing) were played in live on MIDI instruments (typically MIDI guitar), and not quantized.


Seems like we were using SuperMidiTracks before they were famous! grin
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#604839 - 07/02/20 02:41 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Off Topic Peter Gannon Comment [Re: bobcflatpicker]
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Two things stick out in re-reading these old threads.

1. From PG Music themselves: From Mr. Gannon: "We should have a converter, that takes any style and changes it (save-as) from 8th note based to 16th (or vice versa). Then all of the bluegrass styles would be available as 8th or 16th. I'll add that to the to do list."

This was back in 2010. Ten years later, we still don't have this 'converter' they were going to put on the To Do list.



2. "BB doesn't support 2/2 notation, so we write the notation in 4/4, with 16th notes."

Go to TablEdit.Com and look at the bluegrass tabs. I personally have hundreds and hundreds of them written in 4/4 time using 8th notes for the most part and playing at between 140 to 260 BPM, depending on the song. I have been playing bluegrass since back in the very early 70's and have been taught by some of the best players around, some of them veteran studio musicians. I have 100+ bluegrass books in my collection, many of them going back to the mid 60's. I have 18 3" binders all filled with tabs and songs I have collected over my 50+ years, both Flatpick Guitar and Banjo. I have the entire Banjo News Letter collection dating back to 1973 full of tablatures and the entire Frets Magazine collection. All of the songs are written in 4/4 time using 8th notes per measure, not 16th notes.

Now no one is going to tell me that for the past 50 years I have been involved in bluegrass that all these teachers and all these books are wrong and PG Music is right.

The problem is that they DON'T understand how bluegrass is played or written. That is a fact. I saw that when I 1st started using BIAB back when it came on Floppy Disks. I put up with it simply because it plays correctly but it certainly is NOT written correctly for that genre.

The converter you talked about would be a godsend for the hundreds, perhaps thousands of bluegrass musicians throughout the world who love and use your product and faithfully return year after year to upgrade. I know I would.
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#605435 - Yesterday at 08:34 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Off Topic Peter Gannon Comment [Re: jcland]
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Thanks to all who have weighed in on this. I do appreciate it.

To those who haven't weighed in I have a few simple questions.

What if your favorite musical style was notated wrong in BIAB? What if that had severe implications in how you would use BIAB? What if your beliefs were supported by almost 100% of written music?

What if you had supported their product by upgrading for almost 20 years in hopes they would eventually fix it?

How would you feel about that?


Edited by bobcflatpicker (Yesterday at 08:44 PM)
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