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#607615 - 07/23/20 06:39 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Realtrack Soloist Medleys? [Re: Gordon Scott]
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The stars in F5 for chorus one appear immediately opon loading the .MXL file. I suspect this may be due to tempo/key/time-sig data in that file. Curiously the red line in the first part marker appears only after I have examined that and then I closed the dialog with Cancel.

Edit: yes it is ... key and tempo both set in bar1.


Edited by Gordon Scott (07/23/20 06:46 AM)
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#607728 - 07/24/20 02:14 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Realtrack Soloist Medleys? [Re: Andrew - PG Music]
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Originally Posted By: Andrew - PG Music
A. Melody menu | Mute melody in middle choruses [checked]. This is a quick way to do it, but this is not a song setting and is not saved with your song.

B. Bar settings - click on Bar 1 and press F5: select chorus 2, set the Melody to 'Mute'. Then select chorus 6 and set it to 'back to normal'.


I've just realised that, as I'd learned two ways apparently to do this, I didn't properly recognise A. above. It does clearly indicates Melody Menu -> Mute melody in the middle. Probably that [checked] threw me.

My understanding now is that there are three ways to do it:

A) Melody menu -> Mute melody during...

B) Bar settings as above

C) In the Select Soloist dialog, middle right "[X] Mute melody in middle".

I was using C, I've changed to using B, I guess I can use A any time, but need to use it at the time I want it.

FYI:
I've just tried the file I saved _before_ I set F5->Mutes and it mutes at least the second chorus, I'll presume for now that it unmutes the final.

I've just tried the version I saved after setting the F5-Mutes and it mutes as above.

Possibly I should simply do that every time I use BIAB for practice.

But I can't presently escape the conclusion that, on this song at least, the F5 mute is simply not muting.
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#607749 - 07/24/20 05:25 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Realtrack Soloist Medleys? [Re: Gordon Scott]
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I've twice open the no-F5-mutes file from cold, done Melody->Mute Melody... and then added a RealTrack melody (_JAZMEDL.STY) unaltered. Both times did exactly as I would expect.

I then modified the medly just by swapping around the players: 1224 Vibes (skipped), <Silence> (chorus 1), 456 Alto Sax, 765 Guitar, 460 Trombone, <silence> x5. I left the final 458 Tenor sax for now. Said Yes to over-ride and regenerated the track. Again it did exactly as I expected.

I did a full regererate and play from the >+ button. Again it played exactly as expected.

I might add that that "exactly as expected" sounds pretty good, too, which has cheered me up no end.

For the present, at least, I'll abandon the F5 chorus mutes in favour of the menu Melody->Mute..., at least for practicing.

I would really rather like either to understand how to avoid the F5 mute failure, or if it's a real bug, helpto get it fixed.
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#607894 - 07/25/20 06:55 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Realtrack Soloist Medleys? [Re: Gordon Scott]
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I have another that plays RealTrack medley weirdly.
Also in https://www.gscott.me.uk/Music/BIAB/

This was an existing .SGU that I reduced to one chorus, imported the MIDI melody, moved in piano-roll to get the pick-up note in the right place, converted to seven choruses and with a soloist realtrack medley created manually. Clarinet, <silence>, clarinet, bari sax, tenor sax, guitar, <silence>, no change, starting on the second entry and set to change on choruses.

With Melody->Mute melody... checked, the song plays with the melody on to the middle eight, when a clarinet joins in. The second chorus plays with no solo. The third chorus plays nicely with the baritone sax as expected. For the fourth chorus the clarinet comes back in and clarinet and the tenor sax play tegether until the middle eight, when the clarinet stops again. Fifth chorus plays guitar as expected, no soloist on chorus six, no melody returns for the final chorus.

Actually what it produces is very nice, but it isn't what the melody-mute settings and soloist track say it should be.

This all gives the distinct impression that something else besides these controls is managing the soloist and medley.

Oh ... Blue Moon.


Edited by Gordon Scott (07/25/20 06:59 AM)
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#607928 - 07/25/20 09:25 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Realtrack Soloist Medleys? [Re: Gordon Scott]
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Another song, "stock" medley (1309) all works entirely as expected.
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