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Here I go, ruffling feathers again, but this came up and I am interested in hearing the opinions from the players here with a such a wide range of skill level and experience.
Somebody on another system made the comment that during Covid lockdown she "learned how to play the guitar". Now while I don't expect that someone becomes Steve Vai or Joe Bonamassa in 6 months, but there was a video attached, and while I resisted posting the comment I REALLY wanted to tell her "No, you didn't."
At what point do you consider that someone can really say they can "play" a guitar? As always I am opinionated about this, and my dime is this. Much like when a kid turns 16 and gets their driver's license, they don't really know how to drive yet. It takes experience well beyond passing a 10 minute driving test to really know how to drive, and it takes more than learning 4 or 5 open form chords from a book to be able to say you can "play" the guitar. In the most literal sense, following that logic, everybody who can play Chopsticks on a piano must know how to play the piano, right? The ability to play your favorite 3 chord folk song is only playing in that same most literal sense.
Now, that is not to say that I don't understand that you have to be at the 3 open form chord stage before you get to know those chords in every formation on the neck. And then learn how to solo over those chords. God bless the child that takes pride in that early, nominal level accomplishment, but to say "I learned how to play the guitar" may make them think there is nothing more to really being able to play that they stop learning and progressing, thinking they know how to play.
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I always just tell people that I play a little.
I've been playing on and off since I was 11 or 12 and I still haven't figured it out.
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Hi Eddie,
You're absolutely right about learning guitar, but I suspect the root of the problem lies with her use of English.
People tend to be economical with their use of adverbs, adjectives and the like. If she'd said - I learned to play the guitar (badly), or I learned to play the guitar (a little bit), no one would likely have issue with those claims. We have a supermarket chain over here who's slogan is "Quality and Value". Totally meaningless. The implication is good quality and good value, but it could just as easily be poor quality and bad value. I get this all the time from my wife who used to do advertising copy writing. She's the person who takes a "different smell" and turns it into a "brand new fragrance". Sorry, did I get off the subject here? Time on my hands this morning.
By the way, still blocked on that follow-up song - might have to send the file as it is.
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I have been playing guitar since I was about 12. I don't know when I "learned how to play". I would imagine it would be different for everybody. If someone wants to be able to play 1000 songs, all they need to know is 3 or 4 chords and how to change between them quickly and efficiently and smoothly and they have "learned to play guitar" then it is just learning songs.
If you want to master the guitar, I think it is a lifetime effort. Even Chet Atkins practiced every day and from those that knew him they say he was always learning something new.
As always, just an opinion and everybody has one of those!
My wife asked if I had seen the dog bowl. I told her I didn't even know he could.
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Here I go, ruffling feathers again, but this came up and I am interested in hearing the opinions from the players here with a such a wide range of skill level and experience.
and it takes more than learning 4 or 5 open form chords from a book to be able to say you can "play" the guitar. In the most literal sense, following that logic, everybody who can play Chopsticks on a piano must know how to play the piano, right? The ability to play your favorite 3 chord folk song is only playing in that same most literal sense.
Now, that is not to say that I don't understand that you have to be at the 3 open form chord stage before you get to know those chords in every formation on the neck. And then learn how to solo over those chords. God bless the child that takes pride in that early, nominal level accomplishment, but to say "I learned how to play the guitar" may make them think there is nothing more to really being able to play that they stop learning and progressing, thinking they know how to play. I think it is in the eye of the beholder (or is it the ear of the listener). Whatever that person's goal is, I think, is what matters to them. I am sure they will, if not right away, maybe at some point realize their limitations with those 3 or 4 chords. Or maybe all they want to do is play those endless number of songs that only use 3 or 4 chords. Ween someone tells me they learned to play guitar and then show me, I am always encouraging and polite and then I probe a little and ask what their goal is. They may not have even thought about it, or they may have. I picked up a guitar wanting to be Roy Clark and wound up more like Chet Atkins (in style, not necessarily capability!). When I could play Roy Clark songs and Chet Atkins songs and they sounded pretty much like the originals I thought I could play guitar, then I learned that all I was doing was copying and not really creating and my goal was creation, so that is what I have been learning for the last 40 or 45 years now.
My wife asked if I had seen the dog bowl. I told her I didn't even know he could.
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I will always be learning.
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then I learned that all I was doing was copying and not really creating and my goal was creation, so that is what I have been learning for the last 40 or 45 years now. Bingo!
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I will always be learning.
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I actually agree with this a lot. I 'play' piano by ear, but that is about it. I cannot read a lick of sheet music and have very little knowledge in the way of music theory. I have a keyboard and make my own music partially with it, but calling myself a pianist is definitely a stretch. I wouldn't label myself that, since it seems disingenuous considering people dedicate their life to it. I just fiddle around and make music with it, but I can't actually sit down a play elaborate solos like trained musicians can. I've seen a lot of people at parties or whatever, who boast they can play guitar. But hand them a guitar and they only know Smoke on the Water. I'd argue they definitely can't play guitar. This isn't a bad thing - if you want to mess around and have fun with it, that's fine by me 
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When a person meets their own expectations they can play the guitar or any other instrument.
If a person's expectation is to play their three favorite songs then once they learn the chords, notes, strum patterns and riffs for those three songs they can play the guitar.
As soon as they hear a fourth song and want to learn it, the learning journey begins anew. The good news is they followed some system that guided them on their three song journey and now they get to revisit that system.
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This is a nebulous and subjective question. It is also a typical issue with language in general.
We say words that appear to mean something but in reality are meaningless. They are meaningless because those words mean something different to different people. They are commonly used by politicians. Freedom, democracy, justice and on and on.
Define "play guitar". Define play guitar a little. Define play guitar well. All that means different things to different people.
I can play the first two bars of Golliwag's Cakewalk by Debussy note for note. Does that make me a classically trained piano player? Of course the answer is yes. Of course the answer is no...lol
In general to master something difficult requires around seven thousand hours, playing a musical instrument, flying an airplane and so on.
Secondly, why would anyone do anything but support someone who is trying to learn something as difficult as playing a musical instrument. Being kind and supportive of people who know less than you do is an infinitely better approach that condemning them for their apparent lack of knowledge.
Larry Carlton invited me on stage with him at a jam session at the Baked Potato in Los Angeles. He played stuff that was consistent with the little I knew at the time. Real musician, real human being and we all could take some lessons from that.
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I've stressed to my kids that you only need to be "good enough" to play an instrument in public.
It's a pretty low bar, in terms of mechanical skill.
But it requires a fairly high level of musicality - a solid sense of beat, making sure your playing contributes to "the band", really listening, and playing as well as you can, as musically as possible.
Often, playing simply will serve the song best. But playing simply well isn't always so easy.
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