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#619445 - 10/17/20 02:02 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND AUDIO INTERFACES.
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TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND
AUDIO INTERFACES.
the threads that follow offer in depth insights into the following.
1. PC and MAC OS's for recording studio work.
2. various daw multitrack software platforms; includeing their performance under load and plug in handling.
3. latencies of various audio interfaces includeing RTL (round trip).
very knowledgeable people, both studio owners/users and "techies" offer lots of interesting comments,
and insights.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/545208-dawbench-dsp-vi-universal-cross-platform-daw-benchmarks.html
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/618474-audio-interface-low-latency-performance-data-base.html
(a very looong thread)

i regularly check the above as the daw/audio interface landscape is ever changeing.
the threads will lead a daw user to software they can use to test their own rigs, if they wish.

there is also lots of added info if one googles subjects such as RTL, latency monitoring software,
daw plug in performance, daw performance benchmarks etcetc.

hope the above helps people.
respectfully.
muso


Edited by justanoldmuso (10/17/20 02:07 PM)

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#619451 - 10/17/20 02:21 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND AUDIO INTERFACES. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Couple of quick points:

Careful, the first link about DAW choice starts in 2010. Ten very long forum pages in, they get up to date. The initial data was done on 32-bit operating systems. SONAR (now Cakewalk by Bandlab) was not included.

The second link about interfaces starts in 2011 and will, I think, be very interesting only to those who need to squeeze the absolute most latency out of their recordings. Muso warned us it's a long thread, but you should know it's 150 pages. There is a little info in the last few you might skip to. Here's the last comparison of interfaces I could find a reference for. Scroll down to post #4430: https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/618474-audio-interface-low-latency-performance-data-base-148.html
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#619452 - 10/17/20 02:46 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND AUDIO INTERFACES. [Re: Matt Finley]
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matt.
sometimes page 1 of a thread is later updated with new
info. so i referenced it all just in case.
so darned if i do. darned if i dont !!.

jeesh.



Edited by justanoldmuso (10/17/20 02:51 PM)

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#619457 - 10/17/20 03:13 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND AUDIO INTERFACES. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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No, you did the right thing. I'm not sure it would make any sense if you didn't do the whole thing and then let people decide. I was only trying to give another heads-up of what it all was. Thanks for posting.

Did you draw any conclusions? I was very interested (but not surprised) to see how highly the RME and Lynx interfaces consistently scored. Focusrite and Presonus, used by many here, seemed to fall all across the range.
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#619501 - 10/18/20 07:25 AM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND AUDIO INTERFACES. [Re: Matt Finley]
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matt.
thankyou. respect to you.

yes, of course i lust after stuff like RME.(stellar reputation).
but, then i'm reading this week about usb 4 (!) and the very high throughput rates.
also the new intel evo platform. how will this change things ??
then i'm considering the fact that my current interfaces noise floor is way lower than the inherent noise level of a mic. at -120 something. then i add in the fact that at best my original song creative output is one a month as time permits.
(i work very hard on each song. but i'm getting older lol.)

AND of course there are other shifting sands of technology, and the obsolescence worry.
just this week i'm reading on the net how behringer has put together a team of software developers to do a new daw in the coming 18 months.
you can bet this will cause major competitive ripples in the recording market.
a lot of folks seem to really like their inexpensive euphoria interfaces.

in summary i try and keep my gear lust in check with balanced analysis.

btw i like the GSlutz forums because there is lots of gear analysis from low end to high end.
(ps. biab gets a great review on GS if you check in product reviews.)

i'm still not happy with current computing platforms for daw work.
we desperately need cheaper and much faster processors imho.
its takeing ages. like watching a tap dripping.
in various GS threads one sees how heavy load can throttle machines irrespective of platform.
have you seen some of the processor prices ?? my goodness.
its getting like a mortgage payment lol.

also frankly i really like a lot of the pc's i see advertised as custom built for recording studios from the likes of adk pro audio, scan uk, and pc audio labs and others.
i just cant justify the buy in , so i stay with 300 buck refurbs which have given me stellar service over the years , not one failure EVER.
(i5 processors with ssd's. ).
but those custom studio pc systems built for recording studios i often lust after. particularly the rack mounts.lol.

also my concern is for the poor musician who cant afford expensive computers and/or on going obsolescence.
very much, the studio scene has evolved to "if you wanna play you gotta pay" scenario. which is sad in many respects for poor musicians in poor countries.
(i'm following daw developments on the little 35 dollar raspberry pi which now runs reaper and traction. see you tube for more details. early days imho. but to naysayers i say its cute lol.)

respectfully
muso.

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#619633 - 10/19/20 01:24 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND AUDIO INTERFACES. [Re: justanoldmuso]
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more on computer benchmarking.
and some ideas for discussion.

in realband itself, it will tell you number of tracks for your rig.
action>>test performance.
my cheap refurb i5/ssd comes in at 191 mono 44.1 tracks.
yes, i know its a rough idea but it might be usefull
to some if testing a rig.
if i remember powertracks has the same test.

it would be nice if pg now expanded this test , to do a detailed benchmark type of deal people could run on their computer rigs. i would be happy to pay a few extra dollars.
maybe have a dummy 24 or 48 track test song in RB, maybe trak count user selectable ,and a user could then load in their favorite fx/instrument and other plug ins .
then the user could enter in such info as no of traks anticipated being recorded at one time,and recording rates etc etc. RB would report like some daws do, the cpu useage of each plug in. and a user could isolate possible problem areas like a slow disk drive or a rogue plug in or a slow processor etc etc.

so then RB reports back a final overview like.
"this rig will play back UP TO xxx no of traks , with yyy no of plug ins you have identified, while also recording zz no of inputs at a sampling rate of ."
and several more detailed tables could follow to show stats useing various sampling rates, maybe IDENTIFY problem plug ins with high cpu useage that might be problematic etc etc.

would other pg users find this usefull ??
possibly this might cut down the number of interractions with pg support where a user is wondering why there are problems on a low power rig that cant handle the load etc etc.

actually i would like also a standalone small version of such an application i could put on a small sd card or usb drive.
because i could then visit my local computer shops that are friendly to my needs,and run the standalone benchmark app on the new latest and greatest rigs;and/or on refurbs they sell that have come off lease when i was shopping for a new rig.

yes i'm aware that some stores dont like in store testing.
so i just walk away, and only deal with those stores that WILL let me test.
its amazeing if you think about it that a car dealer will allow a test run, but some computer dealers wont.

of course at the dealers i wouldnt expect to load in plug ins and RB etc etc.
but the smaller standalone app could report such things as track counts, input max in conjunction with playback counts at various sampling rates, and possible plug in counts max, assuming low cpu useage plug ins.
eg a report might look like this .
"this computer at 44.1 khz will allow recording 8 simultaneous input channels while playing back 24 tracks with xx number of plug ins each."
that type of idea.
as we move into the future and people upgrade their rigs this type of test utility could be rather usefull as pg add more features to biab/RB etc.

(of course we all know that recording lots of inputs concurrently on a slow machine can lead to problems while also running lots of plug ins/traks playing back in real time. at high sampling rates. ).


to any naysayers i say its kinda a "hope and pray" approach currently in buying a computer.
ie particularly for a new user , who visits a store, and buys some machine that might or might not meet their needs or have the power "oomph" for now and the next few years.
not all of us are wealthy enough to buy a new computer often.
i make this suggestion because over the years various recording forums have threads where obviously often the wrong computer purchase has been made that doesnt meet the users needs properly.

its just a basic spec idea, but i'm sure you get the idea, and i feel would help a pg user immensely in shopping for a new computer to run biab/rb/powertraks etc etc and their other softwares etc.

for example maybe biab will run happily on a persons current computer, but what about if/when (per the wishlist) biab itself is expanded to run many more realtraks channels ?
eg 16 like some users want. nice idea rustyspoon. ??
maybe the benchmark runs the first time a new pg user boots up ??

what do other pg users think of this idea ??
particularly as pg adds more features over time ?
all input welcome.

respectfully.
muso.


Edited by justanoldmuso (10/19/20 01:28 PM)

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#619653 - 10/19/20 05:05 PM [Help! Tech S.O.S (Off topic)] Re: TEST BENCHMARKS OF VARIOUS DAW MULTITRACK SOFTWARE AND AUDIO INTERFACES. [Re: Matt Finley]
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No, you did the right thing. I'm not sure it would make any sense if you didn't do the whole thing and then let people decide. I was only trying to give another heads-up of what it all was. Thanks for posting.

Did you draw any conclusions? I was very interested (but not surprised) to see how highly the RME and Lynx interfaces consistently scored. Focusrite and Presonus, used by many here, seemed to fall all across the range.



This is exactly why I ponied up for an RME Fireface 800. Rock solid for me.

Mind you, I bought it used for the price of a Focusrite, so that helps.
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