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#619318 - 10/16/20 11:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: Pipeline]
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On the topic of 3.5" HDs: Just to clarify, there was no 'executive decision' made on this topic, so you should view it as a discussion.
Also, you might recall, we actually did ship 3.5" drives with an enclosure and power supply for some time, many years ago before high capacity 2.5" drives became practical/widely available.


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#619324 - 10/16/20 12:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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Pipeline,
I agree with some (if not most) points you made, but I am giving a huge credit to PG team for past 2 years of improvements. I am lucky to see the growth spurt happening right since I joined...But, I can see exactly what you are talking about too. I am confident that software part can be tuned right. If I had to guess, there is only about 5-7 BIG requests, other things are just touch ups... and most of these big requests are not science fiction. RT content is phenomenal! It is not an easy time for most of us. Main thing now for PG to pull through this havoc.

Andrew,
I think, having a small stock of 2.5 SSDs and having an option to purchase SSD instead of spinning hard drive is a very good idea. By default, SSD's can be shipped USB "cased" to avoid "misunderstandings". Those who want to use these internally or any other way, they would be able to do so with ease smile

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#619332 - 10/16/20 02:12 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: Rustyspoon#]
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THANKS ! yes you are both right. HOPE thanks !
I remember the Audiophile drive being 3.5" it was that shiny black enclosure with the little fan. It was USB 2.0 so I took it out of the enclosure and put it in the PC.
An yes there have been good changes in the last few years, there was a lot of resistance by PG to go 64bit but Apple forced the 64bit version of Biab we now have.
Let's not stop, more HOPE PLEASE.
48kHz/24bit should not have to be forced by Apple, it should be available now.
Sorry I am just shell shot from years at it. Positive things lift me up, negative things get me down, and God knows we all need positive things now.

And here is one a wise man just gave me
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There are many music-tech forums with a lot more energy and life than remains in the old PGMusic Forum.

that is so true and PG needs to ask why.

I will give another example.
I went to the Ardour forum trying to get them to add GUI scripting so I could port ReaTrak into it as they have extensive Lua bindings for Lua scripting (thanks to Robin over there !), though you can only choose from 9 at a time, but anyway it turned into a huge fight with the old guard, same in the Mixbus forum, so I gave up.
You just need to compare the number of Reaper users, and Reaper was released a year after Ardour and 100 years after Biab, look in the forums. Reaper like Winamp is made for users to tweak it how they like (and how popular was WinAmp ?) but to do that that with Ardour you need to know C++ and compile it.
Maybe Justin had that problem with the old guard so decided to build his own DAW. You don't get old guard in the Reaper forum blocking things from happening, same in RapidComposer.
PG and Ardour(even being free) needs to ask why is Reaper more popular, has Justin seen the light ?
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#619338 - 10/16/20 03:14 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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Isn’t Reaper still free?
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#619339 - 10/16/20 03:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Isn’t Reaper still free?


Reaper was never free. For non-professional use $60 for two primary revision versions. But, and this is a big but, they don't lock their product in any way or restrict beyond a 6 sec nag screen reminding you that the 60 day introduction period has elapsed. This has been the subject of much controversy over the years. Similar to PGMusic, it is the way the owner wants it to be done.
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#619340 - 10/16/20 03:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: Rustyspoon#]
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Originally Posted By: Rustyspoon#
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With upgrades, I would offer an option of just new content on Flash drive. I believe, even Audiophile does not add more than 256G yearly, so I would offer exactly that, a 256GB (Usb3.1) flash drive with just new yearly content...

YES ! it could have an installer that would update the Audiophile drive with the new Biab/RB/Plugin/RealTracks/Drums/SMT/Loops/Styles/Demos and any of the old RT/RD that have been fixed/updated.
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#619372 - 10/16/20 11:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: Pipeline]
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This is Rustyspoon's modern 2020 thinking BiabVST Plugin example, that's seeing the light:



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#619399 - 10/17/20 06:38 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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I don’t find any Forum Topic for User Wishlist so I add mine here.

I would like to request a new function “user interface/menue” to be added to BIAB 2021 to provide a simple “Strum Machine” with basic and simple functions like the “Strum Machine” https://strummachine.com/.

It ought to be trivial to add a function like that in BIAB.
It might also to be a good opportunity to bring back/in users of the Strum Machine into BIAB.

I have received some suggestions here on the forum on how to use BIAB as a strumming machine but I don’t get it to sound like I want to. It does not sound as I want it to sound and it is too complicated.

I just want very basic guitar strumming as backing to my practicing (as in the Strum Machine”) and I find most RealTracks to complex.
I think there may be many users who would like to have an option like that. Some comments from users of the Strum Machine is that they have moved over from Band in a Box to Strum Machine because it is too complicated in BIAB.

(yes I know I could put in the chords and look up a style and deselect the instruments I don’t want and change the instruments to what I want but I never get it to sound as I want. The playing is too complex. I want a much simpler sound/playing like the Strum Machine see link above).

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#619407 - 10/17/20 07:22 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: shlind]
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Hi Shlind

There is a User Wishlist available, at this location.

You may also consider posting there.
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#619435 - 10/17/20 12:22 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: shlind]
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I suggested that in the RapidComposer forum and it was just added in a short time.
RapidComposer Strum Pattern Generator can generate just about any strum you need on your virtual guitar, it can combined finger picking and strumming to patterns that can be saved and use over any chord progression, you can set the mutes to any keyswitch or velocity. The keyswitches are saved with the patterns.
RapidComposer also has a VST version that can be used in Biab.
Patterns can be shared with other users. It will import BB Chord Output track, you can fill the track with the same pattern.

But sure if PG made one for Biab it would be great.
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#619531 - 10/18/20 12:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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Speaking of external storage, this came through my in box this morning:

https://www.wish.com/feed/xparam-5f8b723...3&share=web

Just sayin' ...
LLOYD S

(In case the link doesn't work, it's a USB3.0, 2TB thumb drive for $23.74)

Newest USB 3.0 Flash Drives Metal USB Flash Drives Disk Memory OTG U Disk for Laptop PC 2 Colors
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#619536 - 10/18/20 12:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: Lloyd S]
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That's a terrible lot of bytes for a thumb drive, that would bring the price and shipping right down !
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#619540 - 10/18/20 01:39 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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You usually get what you pay for. Just sayin'.
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#619542 - 10/18/20 02:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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I wouldn't pay $2.50 for a 2TB anything off of wish.com. Not worth the headache.

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#619544 - 10/18/20 02:44 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Speed-USB-3-0-Flash-Drive-2TB-U-Disk-External-Storage-Memory-St-snNNN/363130939162?
Note:
This item is upgraded by 32 GB Pen Flash Drive to 2TB
32 GB = aproximadamente 28GB-30GB
32GB-2TB, the actual capacity is 32G, the computer displays 2TB, the detection is also 2TB, more than 32G things can be stored, but not displayed.

This is the real deal:
$999.95
https://www.ebay.com/itm/2TB-Kingston-DataTraveler-HyperX-Ultimate-GT-USB3-0-Flash-Drive-never-used/254739494174?
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#619553 - 10/18/20 06:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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2tb flash drives... we are still at least 3-4 years from affordable+reliable choices.

This one is one of the best and somewhat affordable options today:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/383286127396

It is not quite as small as that flash drive that Pipeline mentioned, but about 1/2 size of 2.5" external SSD drives. Super fast.

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#619655 - 10/19/20 05:12 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: Lloyd S]
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Originally Posted By: Lloyd S
Speaking of external storage, this came through my in box this morning:

https://www.wish.com/feed/xparam-5f8b723...3&share=web

Just sayin' ...
LLOYD S

(In case the link doesn't work, it's a USB3.0, 2TB thumb drive for $23.74)

Newest USB 3.0 Flash Drives Metal USB Flash Drives Disk Memory OTG U Disk for Laptop PC 2 Colors
$23.74


It's most likely a fake. Most cheap flash drives and SD cards are faked to look like they're a much larger capacity than they are. There's a reason the Kingston 2tb stick was well over $1000 when it was introduced not too long ago.
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#620433 - 10/24/20 11:25 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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I'd still be happy with a 4TB internal 3.5" 7200 RPM HHD option holding all those sweet, sweet, 24/96 tracks. I don't know if that's simpler/more cost-effective than putting together a thumb drive with audiophile updates or not, but regardless, I'd still be happy with it.


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#620439 - 10/24/20 12:53 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: MovingAir]
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If you want 96 you would need more T's
a 3min stereo wav file and WavPack Lossless:
16/44 35meg (WavPack 19meg)
48/24 56meg (WavPack 32meg)
96/24 113meg (WavPack 63meg)
192/24 227meg (WavPack 120meg)

most DAW can use WavPack but Biab could convert to wav to use same as it would with wma.

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#621439 - 11/01/20 10:41 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: BIAB 2021? [Re: localhero]
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PG music should create a storage on Cloud server contents all styles, real tracks. Users who paid monthly can access these resources

My one cent suggestion.
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