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Bear with me, i've forgotten the advice i was given. BIAB RealTracks are 16 bit 44.1. am i right in thinking that for recording vocals, choosing to record 24 bit at 44.1 will give me greater headroom without increasing the file size and that for all intents and purposes i won't hear a difference between 44.1 and 48?
vocals i recorded recently were at 16 bits and 44.1 and seemed ok. but with my voice i need all the help i can get.
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Close. 24-bit will give you more headroom when you go to mix, but the file size will be larger than if you used 16-bit. You are storing more bits. The difference isn't huge but it's a consideration.
The difference between 44.1 and 48 KHz is not going to make a difference to your ears. People whose final product is video use the 48 standard, while audio is 44.1 because the Red Book standard for burning a CD is 44.1.
I will answer the related question you did not ask: is using 48 or 88 or 96 etc. sample rate going to make the files larger? Yes.
Most people are very happy recording in studios at 24-bit, 44.1. In addition, most good audio equipment processes audio internally at 24-bit or higher, regardless of what you choose for input or output.
Any of these settings should be good enough that it will capture your voice. Higher rates are not going to make your voice sound 'better' (though you were probably kidding); actually the reverse is true if you aren't good.
Does that help?
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Also worth mentioning; trying to use 16/44 tracks in unison with 24/44 or 24/48 tracks can introduce its own set of problems, depending on the environment.
Any increase in quality may not be worth the aggravation.
16/44 is fine for most intents/purposes.
It's likely the best possible end result scenario anyway once the song is mixed down and published.
As for file size, if you increase either number (numerator/denominator) the file size gets bigger, regardless of whether it is 16 -> 24, or 44 -> 48,88,96.
They will all be different, but they all will be larger than 16/44.
24/96 being the largest in the above examples.
Both add file size.
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Bob, part of your questions have already been answered. But the one thing that has not been mentioned is that increasing the bit and sample size will have no affect on improving your vocals. They will sound the same regardless of those settings.
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thanks everybody. so there is nothing to be gained in going to 24 bit for recording? I thought i might get a bit more volume before clipping occurred but as the 16 bit 44.1 recording are fine i think I'll stick with that.
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In theory, you are exactly right, you will get a hair more dynamics and headroom in 24 bit.
So that is one advantage.
How much and whether it is worth it for a home recordist is the question.
Especially if you are using RTs or RDs which aren't that quality to begin with.
Generally you'll need pretty good monitoring to even have a chance of noticing in the end result.
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thanks everybody. so there is nothing to be gained in going to 24 bit for recording? I thought i might get a bit more volume before clipping occurred but as the 16 bit 44.1 recording are fine i think I'll stick with that. Well, I'm going to go against the grain a bit and say that there is quite a bit to be gained recording at 24 bit. Time - you save setup time. You do not have to really worry nearly as much about using up most of the A/D converter's dynamic range with 24 bit, and get just as clean of a recording as you would with 16 bit. 24 bit has a significantly lower quantization noise floor compared to 16 bit; 48 dB lower to put a number on it. This means that as long as you are getting some 'green' on your A/D front end when you record at 24 bit, you have plenty of signal to work with when you go to mix down. Way less hassle than tape days and even 16 bit recording, where you had to play with input gain and a couple of takes or some 'shouts' to try to peg the input. You don't have to do that with 24 bit depth. I'm pretty certain I was one of the respondents back on your first time through this question. What you gain by 24 bit is time and hassle. The file size increase is not that significant over 16 bit. -Scott
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Every extra bit you have, you increase your dynamic range by 6db. 16-bit audio has a dynamic range of 96db, where 24-bit has a dynamic range of 144db, which is an extra 48db - this means your noise floor can be 48db lower as well, and will push any audible dithering noise 48db lower too.
I'm with Rockstar - record in 24-bit every time, unless your hardware doesn't allow it.
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Simon what you write is close but not exactly correct. You get a lower quantization noise floor but not dynamic range. Dynamic range remains the same. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-quantization-noise_ratio
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thanks again - i have the ability to record in 24 bit and so i'll have a go and see if it makes life easier
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When you increase bit depth you get both a lower quantization noise floor and dynamic range, with all other variables the same (oversampling etc), assuming you're dithering to the appropriate bit level. Each bit you add doubles the resolution, which in audio terms is a 6db increase in range. This means that your 24-bit audio can be anywhere from 0dBFS to -144dBFS - though effectively, your dynamic range and noise floor are also dependent on your DAC and playback hardware, as well as any oversampling and dithering in the signal chain. The short version: Increased bit depth is good.
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