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#641768 - 02/12/21 01:24 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Simon - PG Music]
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where we have to jump through hoops

who at PG are trying to fix this problem ? you ? I don't think so, at over 8000 views in this thread PG is the one jumping through hoops for apple !
This is endless hoop jumping at it's very best for our wonderful leader apple !

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..Got a Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, iMac, and iPhone SE...I'm not paid enough to deal with that on a regular basis.

$$$$ WOW I could not afford all them, "a fool and his money are easy parted".

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WOW wonder why you have that now !

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Thank you Simon...BIAB is the only program I am running that was not compatible out of the gate with Big Sur...

Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music
..At this rate we might have full Big Sur support before Pro Tools, Ableton, Digital Performer, Nuendo, Adobe Audition, Tracktion, FL Studio, and all the other DAWs, plugins, and hardware that still don't have Big Sur support!...

WOW look at all those companies that will need to jump through hoops !
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#641770 - 02/12/21 01:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Pipeline]
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Guys, don't attack me for telling the truth, as I said go to the apple forum and speak up !, don't just take it, sure there may be a risk of being excommunicated but it's worth it.
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#641778 - 02/12/21 02:15 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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I have plenty of Apple stuff. My money, my choice. Deal with it.
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#641781 - 02/12/21 02:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Originally Posted By: TRYUK
I have plenty of Apple stuff. My money, my choice. Deal with it.

I don't have to deal with it, apple do that at the local casino.
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#641782 - 02/12/21 02:31 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Actually that post was not aimed at you or anyone in particular, its just a statement of fact.
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#641783 - 02/12/21 02:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Pipeline]
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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
Guys, don't attack me for telling the truth, as I said go to the apple forum and speak up !, don't just take it, sure there may be a risk of being excommunicated but it's worth it.


Now, now, I don’t see anyone attacking you for telling your truth, just slightly but very respectfully disagreeing with basically everything you say.

And I fully agree with your advice: whoever here has a beef with Apple should go to their forum, speak up and preferably stay there, patiently waiting to be excommunicated, while the rest of us try to keep on the topic raised by this thread.

Speaking of which, I’m running BIAB 2020 with the patch with no issues so far so... thank you PGMusic.

Ps: in case anyone is wondering, BIAB flies on the Mac Mini M1.

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#641805 - 02/12/21 07:45 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: PLS]
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If you don't think it's truth I suggest you do what I posted in a previous post and go for a drive and think about it. It's a shame truth has to come the hard way sometimes.
It's always hard for a one David if the mob backs Goliath.
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#641831 - 02/13/21 01:25 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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In my version of The Truth, Elhalan (not David) fighting for the Israelis defeated Goliath who was fighting for the Philistines in single combat by shooting him right between the eyes with a green laser from space. It goes to show how many versions of The Truth there can be.

Mythology and pseudo erudition aside, this section of the forum is the tiny corner where Mac users gather to ask for or provide support on their experience with BIAB.

I believe it’s fair to assume that most of us have freely chosen to use Macs (at least the ones that were not inoculated by Bill Gates with a mind controlling micro ship).

That’s probably why it shouldn’t be so surprising that full on toxic and destructive ranting against Apple and its products is not well received in this neck of the woods.

Do I think everything Apple (or any other corporation for that matter) is perfect? Heck no, not even by a long shot. Still it’s the one that, of my own volition, I’ve decided to use.

And this is the community I will keep coming to whenever I need (or can provide) support in my experience with BIAB for Mac.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ll go for a drive to think about the David against Goliath conundrum!

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#641955 - 02/13/21 01:01 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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At the risk of getting back on topic smile I’ve now run Big Sur/BiaB through all of my typical procedures and all is good.

YMMV but I’m a happy camper and a big thanks to PG Music for all.

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#641963 - 02/13/21 02:18 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Yeah ! Glad to be back on topic..... I have a workaround to print lead sheets but look forward to the update to correct
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#641966 - 02/13/21 03:05 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: PLS]
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You are using Biab and functions/features/BBPlugin NOW !!
You don't seem to mind that they are there now for you to use because I told the truth, ranted, and suggested ideas and solutions !
You have no idea whatsoever of the depth of this.
If I left the forum way back when I came here because uses like you saying that "I'm lying, Biab/RB is fine how it is", you would have F all.
All the stuff developed in Win goes to Mac.
Give me some respect please ! Don't wait till you leave your body.
You have what you have because I stood up and told the truth as I am now, if it's ranting it's to drum the truth home.
Didn't they get rid of Steve then had to get him back, and I'm sure that's what gave him the cancer. The stuff they release is most likely what he has left in the pipeline.
And if I die tomorrow you would still have all these issues in this 9000 view thread again and again, but you will have more features that I have left in the pipeline.


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#642014 - 02/13/21 06:26 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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And the BiaB/Big Sur rendering to audio times average out to the same as with Catalina. For those of us that regen the same RT multiple times for DAW comping this a significant consideration.

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#642065 - 02/14/21 08:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Janice & Bud]
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Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
We thoroughly enjoy our cloistered Apple world ... two iPhones, HomePod, Apple TV, iPad, Apple Watch, Apple Play in the vehicle and two Macs.

I resided in the PC environment from the early 80’s until 2011. And I never look back.

Just wanted to mention that we aren’t all Apple haters smile


Yea… I rode the Win/Android clown car for years. Never again.

Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music

Realistically though, Apple isn't gonna change how they operate unless we all vote with our wallets, and I know most of us won't.

What?

We absolutely do vote with our wallets. My iMac Pro is a bargain. For some of my work, the other choice was a $50k Maya Box running Win10. Since no one is paying me to run Windows anymore and it’s my dime, I bought what does the job best. I knock out 2–6 projects a week making music and video. When Time=$$$, the bottom line is very important to me.

Only one of my apps is still 32 bit. I have licenses for a number of apps to take its place but haven’t invested the time to become fluent in any of them. Easier to boot from a Mojave SSD and use the old app.

Many of my collaborators use Win7 or Win 10 so I’m not done with it but that’s ok. I did tech support for years and am still pretty good at solving problems when they occur — like nearly every time Win10 updates.

Making music for a living. Life could be worse.
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#642203 - 02/14/21 10:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Pipeline]
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Originally Posted By: Pipeline
You are using Biab and functions/features/BBPlugin NOW !!
You don't seem to mind that they are there now for you to use because I told the truth, ranted, and suggested ideas and solutions !
You have no idea whatsoever of the depth of this.
If I left the forum way back when I came here because uses like you saying that "I'm lying, Biab/RB is fine how it is", you would have F all.
All the stuff developed in Win goes to Mac.
Give me some respect please ! Don't wait till you leave your body.
You have what you have because I stood up and told the truth as I am now, if it's ranting it's to drum the truth home.
Didn't they get rid of Steve then had to get him back, and I'm sure that's what gave him the cancer. The stuff they release is most likely what he has left in the pipeline.
And if I die tomorrow you would still have all these issues in this 9000 view thread again and again, but you will have more features that I have left in the pipeline.



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Utterly speechless,
Thus from here on
Speechlessly humbled I shall
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#642311 - 02/15/21 02:01 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: Mike Halloran]
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Originally Posted By: Mike Halloran
Yea… I rode the Win/Android clown car for years. Never again.


Same. The amount of troubleshooting I have to do for Windows audio settings and issues working here at PG is unbelievable compared to Mac, and this has generally been my experience in the past the few times I've used Windows for some sort of music app.

Originally Posted By: Simon - PG Music

Realistically though, Apple isn't gonna change how they operate unless we all vote with our wallets, and I know most of us won't.

What?

We absolutely do vote with our wallets. My iMac Pro is a bargain. For some of my work, the other choice was a $50k Maya Box running Win10. Since no one is paying me to run Windows anymore and it’s my dime, I bought what does the job best. I knock out 2–6 projects a week making music and video. When Time=$$$, the bottom line is very important to me.[/quote]

Oh I agree, the iMac Pro is the best hardware for the job. My Mac Pro is the best hardware for the job. That's why we won't (or can't) vote with our wallets, as we either can't afford alternatives for specific tasks or we don't want to switch back to Windows - thus we get stuck with whatever Apple decides, such as removing 32-bit support, and eventually removing all non-ARM support.
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#642496 - 02/16/21 03:43 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Macintosh] Re: Big Sur [Re: TRYUK]
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Apple's policies have changed over the years, and I disagree with many of their newer practices. Thus, I have not purchased a new Apple product since my iPhone SE in 2016 and my Macbook Pro in 2012, and I'm not likely to purchase anything in the foreseeable future. I still think the Apple platform is superior for audio production over Windows, but you're welcome to disagree as it is merely an honest opinion.

Pipeline - my suggestion is that if you dislike Apple products that much, you should probably avoid buying them.


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