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not sure that's entirely true Charlie. the OP says the problem only occurs with a key change from A to B. if i understand Andrew correctly what he's saying is BIAB generates the whole song as if it were still in the key of A. If the OP starts the song in B the RealTrack works fine. the problem wouldn't exist if BIAB was 'able to follow key changes within the song for RT generation' as Andrew puts it.
the recorded material is fine - no need for extra recordings - just BIAB can't always cope with key changes for RT generation.
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not sure that's entirely true Charlie. the OP says the problem only occurs with a key change from A to B. if i understand Andrew correctly what he's saying is BIAB generates the whole song as if it were still in the key of A. If the OP starts the song in B the RealTrack works fine. the problem wouldn't exist if BIAB was 'able to follow key changes within the song for RT generation' as Andrew puts it.
the recorded material is fine - no need for extra recordings - just BIAB can't always cope with key changes for RT generation. I don't believe you're understanding Andrew exactly correct or at least differently than I do. I think he's addressing two different elements. 1. The actual Realtrack audio data recorded and 2. The BIAB generated audio track derived from the assimilated RealTrack data track. They share a common name but are not the same. In point (A) - Andrew is apparently referring to the BIAB generation of non musical audio data derived from recorded audio data contained in the RealTrack Folder for compiling it into musical phrases that match the settings of the chosen style and user programming into the Chord Sheet. In point (B) - Andrew is directly referring to the audio material recorded by the RealTrack artist session musician playing "what is natural for them to play for a chord in that style of music, so seeing a B chord in the key of A, many RealTracks will play the b7.when recording the audio for that RealTrack." A RealTrack residing on a BIAB Mixer Track is a virtual track that does not contain any audio but contains data that BIAB compiles from the User's chord chart, Style, Tempo, feel, key signature and other data to search the RealTrack folder and data base to assimilate and compile musical phrases appropriate for the song. A RealTrack residing in the RealTrack Folder is a finite amount of recorded audio by a session musician that's composed in pre-determined, non musical snippets of varying numbers of bars compiled into assorted chord progressions, riffs, turn arounds, intro's, endings, transitions and melodies. When and where the problem occured for the OP having this problem is irrelevant and the recorded material, the BIAB generated track that should follow the user's inputted chords as entered, is not fine. It's not fine because the RealTrack data the PGMusic session musician when he recorded the audio data for that particular RealTrack playing in his/her natural manner chorded a B7 rather than a B so the BIAB algorithm isn't properly following the changes within the song because the proper data is not there and the BIAB algorithms are not creating a 'new' but proper chord. Andrew doesn't provide an answer to whether the two desirable features are possible or not but does provide an equivalent age old solution method to record the correct chords from within the BIAB program. BIAB can't cope with the actual recorded audio data if it's not there or there's no procedure in place to transpose/ time stretch/ pitch change existing audio. BIAB can easily create the correct audio and punch in that correct audio in the necessary locations.
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As a guitarist I can quite easily see why a player seeing a B in the key of A would see it as a B7. However, if the whole song is in B the seventh isn't used - just the straight B major. If the recorded lick didn't exist then Andrew's idea of freezing the tracks wouldn't work. Its the key change BIAB doesn't seem to cope with not the key of B itself.
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However, if the whole song is in B the seventh isn't used - just the straight B major. Well, 2 things stuck out there. Even if your surmission (if the whole song is in B) is true, the fact is that the song ISN'T in B so I don't know on what you based that surmission. And, if the song WAS in B and your surmission was true, doesn't logic say that if a song in A plays a B7 that a song in B would play a C#7? This sounds to me like the opposition to that 7th chord coming from a bunch of prerecorded snippets is akin to eating already baked cookies and saying "Take out the cinnamon".
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i think there's some confusion here. this references a post where the OP generated a song in the key of A and then changed the key to B near the end. The chords that should have been B major played as B7.
according to a post by Andrew, if the song is generated in the key of A, and a change of key to B made at a bar close to the end of the song, BIAB still thinks its in the key of A and the RealTracks play the B chord as a seventh - like a guitarist playing a D7 in the key of C which is quite common as a link to the dominant chord of G. the RealTracks are doing exactly what a live guitarist would do faced with a B chord in the key of A - play a B7.
the question is can BIAB play a B major chord and not a B7? Yes it can if you generate the whole song in the key of B. The RealTracks play a proper B chord. The issue is that BIAB doesn't cope with the key change if it's done at a bar.
The advice to the OP is to generate one version in A and another in B and merge the two.
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That makes good sense Bob. Once it is generated, it is generated. Moving the key moved the generated parts up 2 semitones and doesn't regenerate. Putting a coat of paint on a car doesn't change the engine from a 283 to a 327.
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