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Hi, Y’all,
I am so thrilled with BB! It is a fantastic program. I was ecstatic to see that the program accepts Fretlight guitars. I was saddened to find out your program would not work with my wireless FG-671 Fretlight guitar with Bluetooth ☹. I e-mailed Fretlight, and they said that they sent PG Music a wireless
Fretlight Bluetooth guitar to try. Is there any chance that sometime in the (near) future, your BIAB will be able to accept a wireless Fretlight guitar? If there are any people out there that have the wireless Fretlight guitar, please let PG Music know, and if there is enough demand, maybe they will update their software to accept one. Thank you all so very much for reading. Please stay safe and well.


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Part of the reason I recently purchased UltraPak was so that I could purchase a Fretlight to use the the solo generator and get ideas laid out.
So I also ordered a Fretlight (here a few weeks after buying BIAB).
The menu in BIAB states to be Fretlight capable. Everything they make now (unless looking at the used market) is Bluetooth.
So imagine my disappointment when seeing constant errors telling me I don't have a Fretlight connected.
If I were to pay the return shipping and 20% restock fee on the guitar I'd be out a good chunk of money.
PG Music - are you planning to add this capability?
If not, are you going to correct your in-app menu to specify "wired only" ?
I'm not trying to come off snarky, but it seems like false advertising to state the app is fretlight capable when any of the new models won't work.

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Greetings Guitar 1277 and Zrtbishop,

Welcome to the forum and to Band-in-a-Box.

I'm sorry your comments were not acknowledged earlier. This forum section is typically used by forum members to post new idea requests so it does not receive as many views as other forum sections.

The +++ Band-in-a-Box for Windows +++ and +++ Band-in-a-Box for Mac +++ forum sections receive much higher views and thus offer better opportunities for addressing your issues.

While looking at the +++ Fretlight +++ website I noticed this statement:
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Your mobile device or computer must have Bluetooth BLE, commonly referred to as Bluetooth 4.0, to connect to a Fretlight Wireless guitar
. +++ HERE +++ I also discovered you can use a Bluetooth 4.0 USB dongle and your PC computer must be running Windows 10. They also suggest you clear the Fretlight guitar memory prior to making a Bluetooth 4.0 connection.

That leads me to ask, have these conditions been met?

I believe Band-in-a-Box recognizes wired Fretlight guitars as a MIDI device. My hope is it will recognize a Bluetooth 4.0 Fretlight guitar as a MIDI device also.


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Hi - yes I've tried resetting the bluetooth and clearing the memory. Unfortunately BIAB only works with the wired version.
I have also read up on the wired verson - it does not provide MIDI output to any apps. I've seen one individual however place a fretlight wireless neck and hardware onto a midi capable guitar. The wired version could possibly be done too (although they would be two separate attachments).

Ultimately I've tried the Fretlight for a week and I have too many problems to enjoy it. I'm going to put it up for sale.

Issue 1: The pickups screetch with loud noise any time an LED lights up.
Issue 2: The wireless bluetooth disonnects if I'm more than 3-4 ft from a receiver. It has also disconnected if I hit the body of the guitar too hard with my picking hand.
Issue 3: I just cannot see the LEDs unless I turn the guitar neck to face me (which is not ideal for playing). If I hold the guitar in a playable position the strings block the LED lights so that I cannot tell which string the LED is telling me to fret.

I wish it would have worked out for learning scales. But I've found it to be a bit of a headache.

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Hello Once Again ztbishop,

Thank you for providing the update. Your feedback concerning your experience with the Fretlight guitar may prove useful to and undecided buyer seeking reliable information about using the Fretlight.

I'm guessing Fretlight assumes most users will connect to their smart phones through Bluetooth. When I looked at their website I noticed Fretlight has a mobile app for scales.

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Thanks Jim. That does appear to be the case...

I just wanted to throw this out there... I decided to keep the Fretlight a bit longer and have actually found it useful now, when using the chord and scale library on their mobile app.
*I pulled the bridge off and found that the ground wires weren't properly seated. I fixed this and it took care of a lot of the LED feedback noise. It's definitely still an issue, but it's now tolerable if I use the middle position and turn the tone down a bit.
*After a week, my brain adapted to understanding where the LEDs are lit up. However this does require holding the guitar in a non-traditional way to see the fretboard (angled so you can see between the strings). However It's useful for learning scales and arpeggios.

I still don't know if I could use it to learn songs without some sort of 'Wait' function.
Anyway - sorry to go off topic.
I do still think that PG music needs to update their documentation to state that BIAB only works with the wired version of Fretlight.

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ztbishop,

I hope you've contacted Fretlight support and shared your product issues with them. Hopefully you didn't void warranty by pulling the bridge.

It doesn't appear Fretlight has received much discussion in this forum. I'd say there is a fair chance PG Music was not aware Fretlight changed from wired to Bluetooth connectivity.

I hope your feedback is noticed by PG Music.


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Hi Keith M Arnold,

I am looking to purchase Fretlight guitar for using with BIAB. Could you please tell me, is the issue with the Bluetooth connection fixed? Is it possible to use FG-671 Fretlight guitar with BIAB via wire?

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Hi all! Band-in-a-Box only supports the wired Fretlight guitars. At this point I don't have an official answer to whether we plan on Fretlight support over Bluetooth.

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