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Interesting article here about a young lady doing the same thing we all here do....working with her music on a computer and a DAW. Except she turned it into a $4500 a month business through streaming and teaching others how she does it. https://grow.acorns.com/how-to-make-money-on-twitch/Jeff
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That's it! I had enough!
I am getting a push up bra for enhanced cleavage and dying whats left of my hair blonde!
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Good one! If you think that will help, give it a shot! But do you really think a blonde beard will help?
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There are a lot of people out there looking to hit it big with their music. I've been using BIAB to produce music for all sorts of artists on fiverr.com the past few years. I'm not making a fortune, but it has provided enough income to support my hobby. I decided that there's more money to be made trying to help other artists be successful (who doesn't think they've written the next big hit?) To me it's like selling picks and shovels to miners instead of mining myself.
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That's it! I had enough!
I am getting a push up bra for enhanced cleavage and dying whats left of my hair blonde! Please let us know when you do that. I'd happily support a "Blondiespoon" twitch channel.
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Pay attention to one thing she said. "I'm always in my room making music anyway."
Anybody here spend many hours a day in "my room making music"?
I don't know how familiar most of your OGs are with Twitch, but if you go through and look at who has the followers, it's the hot girls, and the more risque they are willing to be, the higher the subscriber count. Twitch takes 50% off the top. One young woman who streams as CurvyLlama, is built like runway models WISH they were built and she is as irreverent and foul mouthed as anybody I have ever known. She is a Twitch STAR! Twitch has rules about nudity and they enforce them, but I have seen Llama (Amanda) on other things where she shows that she is completely uninhibited about such things.
Sadly, that's where our world is now. Kids who play video games on their computer and stream it get subscribers and don't have an actual job. Some are voiceover actors and such. Some do play gigs but not that many. Twitch is another world. I follow one guy who does scammer baiting but I have no interest in following someone who plays video games for a living.
So it would not be unfair or inaccurate to say that her money doesn't come from PLAYING music, but showing people HOW to play music.
Even in a loose environment of music education, sex sells....
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What she's doing definitely wouldn't work for a man. But she's not the first young lady who has learned to use her "assets" to make the cash register go ka-ching! 
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Anybody here spend many hours a day in "my room making music"? <...> Guilty as charged. I am making new e-style disks for Band-in-a-Box, Leilani and I are making new fake e-disks for Band-in-a-Box, I am making new backing tracks for our duo, Leilani and I are learning new songs, We also often play in the living room to keep our chops in shape. I practice my newest and 7th instrument, lead guitar too. Sometimes I neglect other things to make more time for music. I'm a hopeless music addict. Notes
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As a man - I can definitely say that given the choice between WATCHING videos of either a beautiful woman make music I like - or any man making even much, much, better music to my ear - that beautiful woman may get equal or probably more watch time from me. Notice I didn't say I would LIKE the music itself more, just the 'overall entertainment experience' lol Now listening without video - to pure audio, the answer is of course a different one. In today's world, my guess is video watching is much more prevalent than audio-only.
Can any man on this website say differently ? (this question invites contrary views)
Can any man on this website say they at least SOMEWHAT agree with me ? (only fair to also poll for similar views)
If you're a woman on this website - aside from probably being in the minority, would a similar statement hold true if you reverse the sexes in the above ?
Most people just LOVE to gawk at "beautiful" people, and quite often, the view of beautiful is common enough that we can all agree that many of our most famous 'beautiful' movie stars fill that criteria.
When I pick netflix shows to watch, how beautiful I find the women is most definitely a factor - not the only one, but a strong one.
Do I feel "superficial" for saying this so blatantly ? I don't - I think I understand human nature.
Gonna be interesting to here people's feelings on my viewpoint.
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Right. Don't you just love this? Sure, if you're a supermodel.
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People hear with their eyes first. These pics are all I need to say on the topic. Back in the days of vinyl and 12x12 cover art, I bought 3 Stevie Nicks albums, and still TODAY I don't think she can sing at all. That whole nasal sheep thing.... eww. But that Belladonna album art.... whew!!  What would you rather look at? This  Or this 
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Interesting. Today I moved my mutt out of her way of a pretty girl in a pet shop in Hong Kong. Meanwhile, unknown to me, my 15 year old daughter was swooning in the corner. It turned out she was an Instagram influencer with thousands of teenage fans. Given my daughter had 6,000 followers on Tiktok before they banned it here (go figure - this is China after all!  ), I guess that's quite something. Apart from the fact that she was easy on the eye, I couldn't see anything special, except she was nervous (perhaps of stepping on) my aged poodle. Sadly, my daughter assures me I do not have what it has to be an influencer no matter what colour I dye my hair or what I wear - the poodle perhaps. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2605141/Dogs-Hong-Kong-wear-dainty-outfits-spend-days-spa-specialist-BAKERY.html
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What is that? Lady Gaga's cat?
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There are a lot of people out there looking to hit it big with their music. I've been using BIAB to produce music for all sorts of artists on fiverr.com the past few years. I'm not making a fortune, but it has provided enough income to support my hobby. I decided that there's more money to be made trying to help other artists be successful (who doesn't think they've written the next big hit?) To me it's like selling picks and shovels to miners instead of mining myself. I think it has always been true that the only people who really make any money in the arts are those who "sell the dream" to the artists. In a world where "starving artist" is a cultural cliche, the vendors who sell them their tools are likely to fare better than the actual artists. And now the paradigm has shifted from brick and mortar shops to online tutorials and software.
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There are a lot of people out there looking to hit it big with their music. I've been using BIAB to produce music for all sorts of artists on fiverr.com the past few years. I'm not making a fortune, but it has provided enough income to support my hobby. I decided that there's more money to be made trying to help other artists be successful (who doesn't think they've written the next big hit?) To me it's like selling picks and shovels to miners instead of mining myself. I think it has always been true that the only people who really make any money in the arts are those who "sell the dream" to the artists. In a world where "starving artist" is a cultural cliche, the vendors who sell them their tools are likely to fare better than the actual artists. And now the paradigm has shifted from brick and mortar shops to online tutorials and software. Surely our beloved band in a box doesn't fall into the above category?
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Our beloved Band in a Box doesn't make CDs or tour.
The artist USING it might, but we are talking about the performers making money, not inanimate objects.
My perception of streaming and the whole area of youtube and all that is this. I have been working with computers since 1980, way back on a Texas Instruments TI-99/4a. It was a pile of crap, but it was a computer. Then come the Commodore 64. Then came small DOS machines. Then an IBM Big Blue that I paid (wait for it) $4,000 for!!! (See "pile of crap" above.) Then a career in IT after music ended.
So to me, anything computer based is fun, not work. People getting online and streaming music lessons... well, you better have a music credential that makes you qualified to teach. If you are a campfire chord strummer, don't be teaching people how to play your open string chords. If you truly know the instrument and will teach music, okay, but teaching people how to play your favorite songs to me isn't music lessons. The money these people make from the ad revenue is modest until you get to elite status with a gajillion subs and you get paid from the ad rolls. (I use Ad Block for Youtube so I don't see ads, thus I don't contribute to that income.) The times have changed to where people think posting and streaming on Youtube and Twitch are a real job, and maybe it a way it is. They do a lot of recording and editing to make their 10 minute videos coherent and informative. One guy I know told me he spends as much as 6-7 hours to do a 10 minute video. Writing script, recording it, re-takes for line flubs, video editing, etc. I personally don't have the patience or the editing skills to do that. Nor do I care to learn. The few videos I have done are posted just like they are shot. No editing at all. And it shows. When you see an extremely slick edited video, be sure that video recording is all that person does. I can appreciate that in only one regard, that being that you can do it all day long and not have to go out and be with people. I am in the introvert category to the max. I simply don't like people when I have to be among them. I buy everything for either quick pickup or home delivery.
So yeah, if people use online video production as their hustle, so be it. I just don't call it a job to play with computers and cameras all day. If people are dumb enough to be donating to Patroon accounts so the youtubers can have $1000 DSLR cameras, that's on them. I have never donated to anybody nor will I. I am my favorite charity.
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I think it has always been true that the only people who really make any money in the arts are those who "sell the dream" to the artists. In a world where "starving artist" is a cultural cliche, the vendors who sell them their tools are likely to fare better than the actual artists. And now the paradigm has shifted from brick and mortar shops to online tutorials and software.
Surely our beloved band in a box doesn't fall into the above category? Of course it does. But that's not a bad thing. The people who sell tools to the people who use those tools make money for a specific reason: They get paid immediately for offering a tangible product, and people are accustomed to paying for things they want. But the commonality between the gold prospectors who buy picks and shovels, and artists who buy art supplies and gear is that they buy before they have a product to sell... HOPING the tools will help them achieve what they're looking for. The vendors' customers include not only capable prospectors , artists and musicians, but also all of the dreamers who WANT to be in those groups. The world is a bottomless pit of dreams. Conversely, there is a worldwide glut of creative content, so its an uphill battle for artists to differentiate themselves from the herd in order to get anybody's attention. To continue the prospector analogy: most of us are digging in a mine that was depleted years ago. But the local hardware store will still be happy to sell you a pick and shovel.
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at the end of the day, the best reason for making music is that it brings you joy. Anything more than that is a bonus.
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at the end of the day, the best reason for making music is that it brings you joy. Anything more than that is a bonus.
Me, it's not about how many times you fail, it's about how many times you get back up.
Cop, that's not how field sobriety tests work.
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Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
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Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!
Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!
With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!
Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!
If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.
A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."
"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."
"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."
Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!
The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!
There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.
If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.
We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!
Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!
There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.
Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.
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