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If I write an original melody and lyrics can i publish it on a CD or some monetized platform using my voice and B.I.B. 'real tracks'?

In other words, are the "real tracks" performances copyrighted themselves?

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You can do what you say, use RealTracks in an original song. Copyright will not be an issue but I recall some of those online services might recognize the sounds and think it’s a violation. There’s another thread on this within the last year.


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Only PG Music can give you written permission to re-publish their original work.

Interestingly, the end user license makes no mention of this one way or the other; it neither allow nor restricts this use.

Of course, if such use were restricted, there wouldn't be much point to BIAB existing.


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Conflicting responses:

"Yep". Yep what, if I may ask...

Do I need "written permission from PG"? Or not?

"Copyright will not be an issue"... Or will it?

Thanks for the responses but I'm no further toward an answer at this point...

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I agree with Matt Finley and GuitarHacker. You can put out what you want from RealBand/BIAB without providing credit to the tracks you have used. There's no gray area here. That's what the tool is for.




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I was sure there was an FAQ someplace that talked about this, of course when I went looking for it I couldn't find it.

It is perfectly ok to release your original song using BIAB as your band, many, many people have done that.

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https://www.pgmusic.com/salesfaq1.htm#22

Are songs that I create with Band-in-a-Box copyrighted?
The arrangements made by Band-in-a-Box are yours, and your songs may be used freely as long as they don't infringe upon the intellectual property rights of others.

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This applies to the MIDI sounds and RealTracks/RealDrums within your BB creation (so, the entire song!) - you're good to go! No need to credit Band-in-a-Box or RealTracks Artists when publishing your work.

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Originally Posted By: Cotts


Conflicting responses:

"Yep". Yep what, if I may ask...

Do I need "written permission from PG"? Or not?

"Copyright will not be an issue"... Or will it?

Thanks for the responses but I'm no further toward an answer at this point...

Dave


I should have said YEP and NOPE to your two questions....I can see how answering the first one by itself can be confusing.

You are allowed to use this software to create original songs and copyright them in your name. You don't have to include PG as a co-writer or share any credits with any of the track artists who recorded the real tracks. As long as you bought the software from PG and have the license that goes along with it, you are free to use the software for personal and commercial ventures. I have music being used commercially that was written using PG real tracks. I don't have to do anything other than to sign a statement with my publisher or music library which represents my music, that I alone, control all the rights to the music. Which, I do.

If however, you listen to one of the style demos and like it and decide to use it exactly like it is, that is a copyright infraction. Simply change a few aspects of the demo and rearrange the chords and it's all good. Besides that, I find that demo's often sound quite different when they are placed in your DAW and you simply change the key and tempo, and the demo's are often NOT in a usable song format. But... it's not a good idea to use the demo for anything other than learning privately.

Hope that clarifies it a bit better.


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Thanks for the clarity. This community is very helpful!

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As long as you bought the software from PG and have the license that goes along with it, you are free to use the software for personal and commercial ventures.


Nonsense. The license does not protect you. It doesn’t say a word one way or the other. I can think of a dozen reasons why PGM’s lawyers left such language out of the EULA. None are worth discussing here.

Callie’s response, OTOH, does grant the permissions you are looking for.


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It is always advisable to seek the advice of a lawyer who deals with the music industry to answer any type of legal questions.

Having said that, myself and thousands of other people have published songs that were created using BIAB software. As far as I know there have been no lawsuits as a result of those actions.

The issues of copyright are about as complex as it gets and no forum has the expertise to guarantee all your questions will be answered correctly.

As with most things, nothing normally happens unless there is money involved. Make a song with BIAB that generates millions in revenue and things could get pretty complicated.

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Originally Posted By: Mike Halloran
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As long as you bought the software from PG and have the license that goes along with it, you are free to use the software for personal and commercial ventures.


Nonsense. The license does not protect you. It doesn’t say a word one way or the other. I can think of a dozen reasons why PGM’s lawyers left such language out of the EULA. None are worth discussing here.

Callie’s response, OTOH, does grant the permissions you are looking for.


Man! You need to read the PG Music Inc. License Agreement. Content you create belongs to you. If you didn't buy it, there's rules for transferring ownership, but the (purchased) license makes it legal for you to use.

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Man! You need to read the PG Music Inc. License Agreement. Content you create belongs to you


You need to understand the question. It’s whether you can use the BIAB samples in your content. Those samples are the IP of PG Music. This is most definitely NOT addressed in the copy of the ELUA that you posted.

It is addressed by Callie’s comment in this thread as I have already noted.

Pay attention and keep up.

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