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The ideas go into Apple Notes… I love Apple Notes! Doesn't matter what device is nearby, I can pick it up, insert ideas and work it out on my iPad or Mac as I please.
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While this has been a good thread.... sadly, I missed, as I think most folks did as well, the hyperlink to his advert for an APP that he is promoting. The post has nothing to do with writing.... that was the bait.... for the hyperlink
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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FlyBys are a common thing around this site of late.
Especially one named Mark Hamil (maybe like Star Wars Mark Hamill) that includes a file sharing site URL! This was my first post in this thread.
Life is short so make sure you spend as much time as possible on the Internet arguing with strangers.
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Part of the issue is that the user put the post up without the link, then added it a couple of days later in which Mario responded.
Looks like Andrew pulled it back out again, all good.
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Here's a very recent experience I can bore you with.
I'm trying to write a lyric for a recent instrumental I posted (and pulled). I had the idea/theme and a line or two kinda in my head. I went to a nearby little restaurant and found myself unexpectedly beginning to flesh out more lines until I was "done".
Problem was, I didn't have the music playing. I THOUGHT I was writing something that would fit structurally (and it pretty much does). But it doesn't scan rhythmically. None of the phrases or even the lines are in the pocket, and if I leave it as is--a decent lyric that says what I want to say--it's not at all going to have that "bounce" and flow I am looking for ALWAYS against this particular musical groove. If a bass player came in with as little correlation between his licks and the rest of the piece as this "lyric" has, you'd fire him.
Do the stresses in the words line up with the pulses of the rhythm? Do the syllables fit on the up beats or on the down beats or sometimes one then the other? Are there any triplets or other variations? I can't score that, but I do FEEL/HEAR it. That's what writing a lyric actually IS to me--after a theme/idea is established. It doesn't matter if it is clever if it doesn't scan.
In order of importance to me (at least in effort if not always execution) it is theme/idea, prosody, originality.
So anyway, I got some lines out, perhaps, but it's back to the drawing board for this one. Sucks.
Last edited by Tangmo; 03/03/21 05:37 AM.
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Personally, I don't try to make lyric fit a melody, I make the melody fit the lyric. When I first started writing, I did what I suppose everyone does initially, the follow-the-bouncing-ball approach...even to the point of counting syllables. Early on in my career, I was fortunate enough to become friends with Dave Loggins (whom I learned so incredibly much from) and he was the guy who turned me onto the idea that the most important thing was what you were trying to say...therefore, the melody should conform to your lyric & not the other way around. Completely changed my way of writing and opened up so many more musical possibilities to me.
If you have a very critical lyrical thought/line, there's usually a way to make it work...you just have to be creative with phrasing and be flexible with the melody.
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Roger, that was/is my usual modus. Writing a lyric and vocal melody to an existing "bed" was not something I'd ever considered until I started doing internet collaborations with much better instrumentalists/arrangers/composers. I found out that I had at least some facility with this "backwards" method, but it is much trickier, more challenging, and prone to failure than the "right" way. But when it works, I like the results better. There's something about the limitations that method imposes that can (when the stars align) inspire creativity, originality, and good editing.
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Tangmo.... sounds like you have a new song in the making.
A friend sent me a series of short clips. I took several of them and turned a few into songs. I played them for him and he says.... well, that's certainly interesting.... not what he had in mind but a takeoff of the original idea....
go with what works
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
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Evidently the original poster has exited, stage left.
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