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#648328 - 03/24/21 01:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Rustyspoon#]
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please PLEASE can someone do a new graphic (cos i'm vision impaired) LIKE biab piano roll BUT get rid of the keyboard at the left, and replace with 16 traks vertically. trak 1/trak2/>>>trak 16.
THEN notice the "cels" in the piano roll "space" in the linear view ?? this is where you right clik on a cel for a particular beat (or beat or bar group)for a particular trak and enter any "change" of property.
(shot/hold/push/patch change/vol change/pan change etc etc like F5.)
does anyone see what i'm getting at ?
(no i'm not saying get rid of piano roll. this is a new CHORD VIEW //settings view i'm suggesting.)
if someone could do a graphic then we could all discuss in detail. and i could detail more easily the benefits.

also think of other added functionality like drawing in automation in the future horizontally against a trak .

whats not to like about this idea ?
all i'm suggesting is a new view patterned after the current piano roll view. (not replaceing it.)
btw why not forget , once and for all the current bass/piano/drums/guitar/solo/melody approach.
in this new model a trak can be "anything".
an audio or midi vanilla trak or supertrak etc etc .
a melody trak or a solo trak or whatever the user wants.

hope to goodness i make sense.
"please" someone do a graphic , then we can discuss in detail plusses and minuses.

best.
oldmuso.
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#648335 - 03/24/21 02:16 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Rustyspoon#]
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PG frustration class 101 >> ergonomic

I can understand there is not much spare time for PG between Win > Mac then Mac > Win to get things implemented ergonomically.

There are just so many little things that can be fixed to vastly improve the frustration level, like if I could get in there and do it right now I would and upload it.
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#648338 - 03/24/21 02:50 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Riccoboni]
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I am ignoring all new features and hoping the bugs get worked out someday. But I will say this...ALL tracks should behave identically. Adding a partial feature set or yet another obscure way to set up the new utility tracks is just another source of on-going frustration

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#648363 - 03/24/21 04:47 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: justanoldmuso]
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Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
All.
please PLEASE can someone do a new graphic ...


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#648385 - 03/24/21 06:38 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Pipeline]
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Pipeline.
you sir are a prince.
some comments.
1. to change a chord right click over chord. make change.
2. to make a change at any beat for a track right clik over cel and F5 appears with new features. make change.
for a change to a group of beats or bars drag/hilite etc.
so then in cel one might see a p for push or s for shot or h for hold or m for mute or or or for other F5
settings etc.

have to think up a legend so a user can look at populated cels and see whats going on. note. cels only show user "overrides" so user doesnt need to spend lots of time entering cels.
3. frankly i would just like to see down left hand side trak nos 1 thru 16 and the user can then enter any old name he or she wants.
(maybe for those that want it, keep the current biab names like in the graphic ?)

i'm sure other users have other ideas.
so i'll stop, also its late and i need rest cos just got off a long music session.
but "yes" thats the general concept of the view.
and all the current features will still exist relating to song//bar//chord setting etc.

well done sir !
best
muso



Edited by justanoldmuso (03/24/21 06:41 PM)
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#648542 - 03/25/21 04:57 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Riccoboni]
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Pipeline + Muso Interesting concept, and I can see it being useful within certain view (like a piano roll). But I personally like the initial (minimalistic) screen for typing in chords...and shots, holds.

JJJ
"Adding a partial feature set or yet another obscure way to set up the new utility tracks is just another source of on-going frustration"

This one I kinda disagree on. This was a good first step. U.Tracks are usable to extent as is (I use them often to audition tracks within context). I am actually happy they got rolled out the way they are - semi-raw. Because now there can be a discussion that Peter and folks who program BIAB can view and take points from different angles to finish them in balanced way.

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#648544 - 03/25/21 05:17 PM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Rustyspoon#]
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I think the Hold exemptions would be mirrored in all, like the RealBand Bars window, you will have the Hold setting in the F5 bar dialog, by right click chord sheet and All Tracks all bars window so you have an overall view without going into F5 or right click each bar to see the exemptions, you will see them all at one time for the whole song.


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#648611 - 03/26/21 04:36 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Pipeline]
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ALL.
i'd be happy with that latest bars view which started in powertraks ages ago. always loved it pipeline.
please take a step back my fellow users and think bout these concepts.
a "slide" for example which was in powertraks ages ago.
a slide is better than a push. you can slide a piece of trak in advance or lagging the beat by a percentage. more flexible than a simple push. just hilite the section you want to slide.

now lets talk "regen". just hilite section of trak you want to regen. that latest bars view is a perfect vehicle for that.
(i suspect the clever jeff yankauer of pg thought bars view up originally in powertraks. sorry if i spelt your name wrong jeff.)
just hilite section of trak you want to regen ! voila !

SERIOUSLY. that bars view will accommodate ANY user feature.
(via hiliting and menu selection).
think of this feature possibility. a lead guitar going from left to right in the stereo field. easy to do either by setting a "cel"
with a certain pan value that changes cel by cel.
(this is where we get into the automation realm. later on akin to lots of daws, just draw in the automation for pans/vols.)
patch change for a section of trak or a simple copy and paste. all easy peasy in bars view.

now for the "plug ins" user.
just clik on trak name on left hand side where you can insert plug ins and/or change properties affecting the whole trak like vols/pans/solo/mute/regen whole trak etc etc. set initial patch etc etc.make sense ?
the boxes or cels are for overrides.

Pipeline.
please could you add markers for intro/verses/breaks/bridges/outtros to that powertraks/rb bars view pretty please.
also chord names at the top going horizontally.
thus for me perfection.
(sorta like reatrak ?)

(btw are you "aussie" ? lovely beaches/surfing there.
ive always wanted to scuba there. but i bet the undercurrents are fierce.)

best.
muso.


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#648623 - 03/26/21 05:53 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Riccoboni]
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Muso, yes, I could definitely get behind these ideas.
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#652551 - 04/22/21 01:20 AM [Band-in-a-Box Wishlist] Re: Converge utility tracks and standard tracks [Re: Riccoboni]
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Hello,

I am happy that my post arouses interest and proposals, and I would have been saddened that this was not the case, so much the ergonomics seems to me a capital point (perhaps a professional distortion: I develop applications for the medical world).

In addition to the proposed solutions, BIAB could perhaps also propose the configuraton of the bar / Chord settings in a specific way for each track (addition of 2 items in the contextual menu of the mixer)?

Best regards

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