This is the error that stops the BiabVST working, I don't know if it's been fixed yet ?
I wasn't aware of the Plugin Standalone and just tried that, too. It fails similarly to my Reaper attempt.
I seem not to get a similar log file from either Is there something one has to do to get it, please? I note that you ran it from a Windows "Run Command" dialog, which I have yet to find.
Edit: I missed your previous post. Trying that now.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 10/22/2112:05 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
I extracted it into a tmp directory, then extracted DirectX.cab friom there into a further directory, then copied gm16.dls to ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32/drivers/ where I renamed it gm.dls
That appears to have made the error about GM.DLS go away. I still have to find if it fixes anything else.
Edit: It fixes neither the StylePicker Clear/Refresh problem, nor the style preview problem. No surprise there, though.
Edit: Also cannot yet select a style from StylePicker in the plugin standalone; also no surprise.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 10/22/2105:00 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
The style demos files are in "bb/RealTracks/Data/Style Demos Audio" by style name, e.g. "_BOTTLE.wma".
There are also: "bb/RealTracks/Data/RealDrums Demos Audio" and "bb/RealTracks/Data/HiQ Demos Audio"
BiaB doesn't play the .wma under wine, but vlc will.
My script has made .wav versions, but BiaB doesn't play those. Again vlc will, but as the .wav versions just waste disc space I'll likely delete them.
alternatively, e.g.,
mplayer -nogui _BOTTLE.wma
... will play from the command line with no GUI. <space> will stop/start, "q" will terminate.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
I think that was a run for windows exe in Crossover.
Originally Posted By: Pipeline
To get the BBInput.txt and BBoutput.txt message above put PreserveAllFiles.txt in the BBPlugin folder
I hadn't responded to that as even with the file PreserveAllFiles.txt in every likely place, the BBoutput.txt file didn't seem to appear.
I've just found it as bb/Outputs/BBoutputs.txt and my content appears, to me, to be sensible, though those "** N/A **" bits are suspicious. I searched for "518" and found demo files to match, but not RealTrack wma/wav files. As BiaB looks online for demos if it can't find them locally, this is doubly puzzling. Not playing them seems reasonable(ish) in the absence of a working wmp; listing them as N/A seems a bit less reasonable. :-/
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
I have a bunch of Notes Norton's styles, but they don't show up in the SylePicker.
This seems simply to be that the drag-and-drop copy failed for some reason. I expanded the zip files, then used a sudo cp -r to copy the files into the bb folder. Now they work fine.
Resolved, I think.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 11/01/2109:01 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
Hmm, well, that's a shame. I've just tried to activate my BiaB64 as above, and it crashed immediately after I clicked the button after entering the license number. It now crashes every start with few clues.
I can run the win32 versions, though I may have to add some more winetricks options and will presumably have to make 32-bit versions of plug-ins. At the moment I get MIDI playing, but not RealTrack audio, but I think I had that for a while with the 64 version, so I'll check through notes.
Software over for a while ... time to actually play a piano!
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
Maybe try a reinstall in existing wine box, if you install in a new wine box it should give you 30days again but you will have to do all the tweaks again.
I tried reinstalling the update_845 with no success.
I tried doing the main install over again ... Hmm Program error RestorePlugin... something; it's gone. It thinks it finished the install; no success. I'm just repeating that to get a snapshot of the error. Actually it does that error twice.
Presuming it again doesn't work, I'll try tomorrow putting a whole new empty bb folder onto drive_c (easy as it's a separate partition) and try a new install onto that. I'll see where I am after that.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
I went back an installed from a newly-downloaded full installer, no change.
Running the 32-bit version still works, though for some reason part of the Jazz chord font was missing. I changed to another font (BeStPlain) and that font seems OK.
I'd recently checked the 32-bit version and seen it was activated, which initially I took to mean that the activation from the 64-bit version had worked. I looked at the files in bb/Data/TicketsActivated and the probable activation is 11 December 2020 and suggests that the 32-bit version is happy with that activation on this same PC as the Win10 installation.
So rather rashly I deleted the bb/bbw*64.exe files and tried the 845 update again. Still no change. There are some other x64 executables lower down the file tree, including in bb/Data/Backups/Builds, but the relevant .exe is identical to bbw64.exe. I tried deleting: Data/libx64/\$drums\^.exe Data/libx64/\$midimon\^.exe and reinstalling, but still no joy.
Time first for coffee.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
Maybe try an older bbw_64.exe if you can extract it from the installer exe or look in C:\bb\Data\Backup\Builds on Linux or Win and try one of the older versions you can try copying to bb\ without renaming to bbw_64.exe Or de register then re register with the 32bit ?
I tried all of those, all failed similarly (no surprise I think), one (build 835) did give a crash snapshot showing: "Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x7bf7f6ba in 64-bit code (0x000000000131739a)." and a bunch of other stuff including stack dump and traceback.
The exception triggered from that code address from within bbw64_2021.0.0.835, but beyond that I wouldn't know where to look. I could put the snapshot here, but I doubt PG would want to get involved.
The 32-bit version works, at least at present, and it's activated, so for the present I may just stick with that, though that may mean some plug-ins don't work.
My Windows 10 has finally died after many(!) cycles of "We couldn't complete the updates" and that has to be a priority in case I have to support a client.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
After downloading 2022(905) I tried the new version on AVL:MXE Linux again.
The download managers doesn't run, but as I have the same drive mounted on both Linux and Win10, 2022(905) was already installed under Windows, so was there to run.
I ran both 64-bit and 32-bit successful, though they were again un-activated. This time I tried activation the 32-bit version and did so successfully. I'd hoped activating that version instead of the 64-bit version might have allowed the latter to work properly, but it did not, again getting a Wine program error. There are no details withing the pop-up "Details" tab.
I tried running from a command line and saw the following, which may give a clue:
wine: Unhandled page fault on read access to 000000007BF7F6BA at address 000000000118896A (thread 0244), starting debugger...
It didn't actually successfully use a debugger (I may not have one ... maybe I should install something.) It's possible this fail may indicate a page issue in the Windows application, though whether it's findable from the above I know not. It's very likely there are no symbols in the shipped binary, so me trying to debug is probably a lost cause.
The subsequent message were all of the form: 0254:fixme:dbghelp:elf_search_auxv can't find symbol in module which may also indicate no symbols.
The 32-bit version seems to run OK and at present most VSTs still have 32-bit versions, so it's likely usable for some time yet.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
I noticed recently that Peter Gannon mentioned said
Quote:
"I watched a video to day of someone running our windows programming language (delphi) on a Mac, silicon (non intell) arm, chip."
I'd though Delphi had become obsolete, but clearly I was wrong ... it's been taken over by Embarcadero who have continued to develop it.
Looking at their website they claim that applications built with Delphi can
Quote:
Easily deploy files directly to Windows, macOS, Android, iOS, and Linux from the Delphi IDE
It's clear that this isn't quite as simple as Embarcadero would like us to think, if only because things like wmp and time-stretching may not be quite so open to other platforms, but I think PGM's use of Delphi should offer a reasonable chance that they may eventually roll out a native Linux version.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 12/20/2102:54 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
My company develops software using Delphi. Don't underestimate it. The exact same code can be compiled to run on Windows, Android, iOS and more without changing a line of code. Try doing that with Visual C Studio ++
As for a native Linux version, I can't say. But I can testify to Embarcadero's Delphi as being an extremely powerful Rapid Application Development environment.
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My company develops software using Delphi. Don't underestimate it. The exact same code can be compiled to run on Windows, Android, iOS and more without changing a line of code. Try doing that with Visual C Studio ++
As for a native Linux version, I can't say. But I can testify to Embarcadero's Delphi as being an extremely powerful Rapid Application Development environment.
I certainly wasn't intending to underestimate Delphi, I was just observing that possibly not everything within BiaB was Delphi and that things that are not Delphi may not be quite as easy as one might like to move to other platforms.
FWIW, I personally have used various RAD methods for many years as I normally aim to be cross-platform, though never Delphi. Most of my PC-ish stuff, though, is fairly modest and undemanding, as may main target has long been real-time embedded.
I suppose I'm trying to help manage expectations.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
Hmm ... wrt the GM.DLS issue, I've just learned that "in the old days we would swap other files in place of it to get Windows default to sound better". That may be an alternative and better fix to the one I used.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
I've recently installed the new AVL:MXE MX-21, licensed (via the 32-bit bbw.exe) and have both 32-bit and 64-bit versions running. There are still a few quirks and things to check, but that's a nice progress. The most obvious at the moment is that my installation does not have the application icons in the Wine menu. That may well be an error on my part. I can run the applications by double-clicking in the D: drive under Wine.
AVLinux is well sorted for audio-visual stuff and things like wine-staging are carefully selected for fewest misbehaviours across maximum applications. The version based on MX-19 (AVL:MXE-2021-04) has wine-staging held back further to avoid instabilities. The newer version has a later wine-staging, which likely accounts for the improvement.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
After reboot of Linux, bbw.exe and bbw64.exe report a file missing and request a re-install. Re-install doesn't fix it. Unfortunately it gives no clue what file is missing, nor from where.
wine install reported an issue, but closed when I tried to view details ... I saw that on the install on the earlier Linux.
EDIT: Correction ... I inadvertently ran the 2021 installer ... 2022 needs download_manager, which presently seems to not run on AVL:MXE-MX21
EDIT: 2022 installer has the same issues. Exploring.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 02/25/2212:03 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
I managed to get both 32-bit and 64-bit versions running again.
I'm not 100% sure what made the difference, but I guessed that it might be related to the application being on drive F: on Windows10 and drive D: on Wine, so I remapped the Wine drive to F:. That alone didn't seem to fix things, so I reinstalled and put the /bb and /RealBand folders on Wine's C: drive and kept the /bb/Drums and /bb/RealTracks on F:
That seemed to get things running. I checked that both 32 and 64 versions were still activated and they were.
The first run after the reinstall started the Style rebuilder, though I managed to upset that ... I think I managed to get the dialog box in the background, behind the BiaB main window, resulting in the usual lockout. I killed BiaB and ran it again. I did a manual Styles rebuild, but it wasn't needed.
Again I used QSynth/FluidSynth as an external MIDI engine. Initially, although BiaB appeared to be OK, it was never actually playing. Not just no sound, but also no highlight-advance through the chords display. That appeared to be due to an audio-driver mismatch of some kind. I ended up with "MIDI Output Driver" set to "Wine midi mapper" and "Audio Settings" set to MME and "Audio Drivers" set to "Wine Sound Mapper", though Pulseaudio seemed also to work.
So far, even through some system reboots, things have seemed OK. I did have to set the MIDI driver again at one point, but that may be operator error.
Windows Media Player still does not work, so still the .wma files all need expanding to .wav files, and the demo-song auditioning still does not work. "Play using current chordsheet" works.
I haven't yet tried, but I imagine using the external fluidsynth may preclude rendering songs. Confirmed, it doesn't render the MIDI to audio.
Definitely encouraging.
Last edited by Gordon Scott; 02/26/2208:45 AM.
Jazz relative beginner, starting at a much older age than was helpful. Kawai MP6, Korg M50, Ui24R, Saffire Pro 40. AVL:MXE Linux; Windows 11; Win8.1: Scarletts BIAB2022 UltraPAK, Reaper, a bunch of stuff.
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