Scott Collingwood and I recently completed the project depicted in the image below. The Drums and Organ are from BIAB. Apart from those two and the vocals everything else was created with guitar directly through a pedal/FX machine for the backing or amp n microphone for the slide and lead parts. The Half Life Of Truth A fair sized project with lots of instances of compression and EQ but it didn't eat my CPU. 43 tracks in all but half a dozen of those are group buses, one is the common reverb and another is the PGMusicVST. There are a few tracks that are Frozen/Stems with FX printed to reduce CPU stress. How big do your projects get?
Last edited by rayc; 08/12/2106:07 PM.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
I think I got up to 80-odd tracks in a project once, it was an orchestral metal thing so there were just lots of instruments. I think I had over 10 guitar tracks, couple for bass, a dozen or so for drums, and everything else was stuff like harps, solo and ensemble strings, lots of brass...
43 tracks is probably around average for more modern stuff. Depends how many layers there are - one of my recent projects had I think 15 vocal tracks just due to layers and overdubs.
there are many different opinions on this. personally 48 traks is way enough for me. time was in days of yore some studios used two studer 24 trak 2 inch mtr's to do hits. giving 48 traks. then the eurythmics , if i remember did a hit on a tascam 8 trak mtr. my concern if i need more traks, it brings into question , is this song , in reality any good ? am i just being lazy with my trak useage ? or..to quote a fancy schmancy producer i met once in a studio ..is the person "putting lipstick on a pig."
Ray ....A fair sized project with lots of instances of compression and EQ but it didn't eat my CPU.
Eats my ear though !!.
Get THE Vocals up and go for it, next time !!.
There is plenty of help here on the forum for mixing .. SO go for it, no need to put any one on the spot !!. And to Pay !! fFS ...!! Why ?? Man the world is our oyster !! Go for It !!.
Just ask !!.
Take care ¬
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I think I got up to 80-odd tracks in a project once, it was an orchestral metal thing so there were just lots of instruments. I think I had over 10 guitar tracks, couple for bass, a dozen or so for drums, and everything else was stuff like harps, solo and ensemble strings, lots of brass...
43 tracks is probably around average for more modern stuff. Depends how many layers there are - one of my recent projects had I think 15 vocal tracks just due to layers and overdubs.
This one has half a dozen lead guitar tracks...there's some overlap in each so I couldn't "comp" them. Additionally I couldn't get the delay repeats of a vocal snippet timed properly so I duplicated the part thrice and set the timing by sliding each along as needed but there was some overlap needed so that's why it's three extra tracks rather than a comp. It would be an indulgent luxury ten years ago but Reaper and a decent computer managed it easily. 80 odd I've not been there but I bet it was fun to keep track of.
Last edited by rayc; 08/13/2106:07 PM.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
TRACK COUNTS..HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH. there are many different opinions on this. personally 48 traks is way enough for me. time was in days of yore some studios used two studer 24 trak 2 inch mtr's to do hits. giving 48 traks. then the eurythmics , if i remember did a hit on a tascam 8 trak mtr. my concern if i need more traks, it brings into question , is this song , in reality any good ? am i just being lazy with my trak useage ? or..to quote a fancy schmancy producer i met once in a studio ..is the person "putting lipstick on a pig." best oldmuso.
I'm always applying porcine makeup. I TRY to keep the number of tracks to the number I can view on the screen without scrolling L -> R.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Ray ....A fair sized project with lots of instances of compression and EQ but it didn't eat my CPU. Eats my ear though !!. Get THE Vocals up and go for it, next time !!. There is plenty of help here on the forum for mixing .. SO go for it, no need to put any one on the spot !!. And to Pay !! fFS ...!! Why ?? Man the world is our oyster !! Go for It !!. Just ask !!. Take care ¬
Beat, I'm more than happy with the placement of the vocals in this mix...in fact they're a wee bit louder than I personally would like them but it's a collaboration so compromise is the go. Why do I need mixing help with this? Apart from the vocal level what is there in the mix that you've a problem with?
Pay $$$...ah I pay for mastering because mastering requires excellent ears, excellent monitoring and a pretty well set up room. I have none of those PLUS it's someone listening critically one step removed which is always good.
Oysters, I don't mind them fresh with a squeeze of lemon or, at a stretch, Kilpatrick.
Whenever I post a Pygmy Beat track in the forum it's there for comment on any/all aspects. Please, I encourage you to chime in.
Last edited by rayc; 08/13/2106:10 PM.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
20-30 is common here, with about the same number of FX (if not more). Only been a couple times in all the years I've used RB that the 48 track count started becoming a concern, but like Simon's, those couple times were rather large productions with lots of instruments including orchestra. Heck, if you record a sax section as single tracks you can eat a half dozen tracks .. then brass etc etc easy to use a dozen tracks on just the horns
What really drove it home to me about how lucky we all are was visiting Motown museum. What they did with what they had makes me feel spoiled.
Make your sound your own! .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome
Ray I never meant any offence !!, I was just bringing a bit of humour to my comments ( I thought !!). Anyway no bad Feelings here!! , I enjoy everything I hear on this forum . I do get distracted with my commitments in life , I'm not retired and still active in the workforce , As I assume you are ?. But to assume makes an [*****]/out of u/me ? so my friend I may be wrong there too !. The spoken word orally is so !! . Much different from a message typed ..why ! No Vocal expression to hear / face to read . Take care ! Thanks.
Beat, It is difficult to weed out the gag from the slag isn't it? Thankfully this isn't an emoji salted board as I find them almost as bad. I was serious about the mix...if there's something there I'd like to know so I can try any suggestions, I usually do that,and hold that info/learning for "next time". The donkey*/assume thing I remember fondly from a movie about Lincoln. It's so much harder to use these days with donkey morphing into anus via arse. Sorry about the *...I was trying to defeat the censor but failed. That REALLY is a particularly odd auto censoring algorithm. "By 1785 polite speakers were avoiding [*****] in the "donkey" sense."
Last edited by rayc; 08/14/2106:00 PM.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Same here. There are only so many guitar layers one can add to a song.
Originally Posted By: rayc
It would be an indulgent luxury ten years ago but Reaper and a decent computer managed it easily. 80 odd I've not been there but I bet it was fun to keep track of.
It certainly was! Many of them were fairly heavy VST instruments, so I certainly taxed my 8-core 48gb ram machine...
Originally Posted By: rayc
Originally Posted By: justanoldmuso
"putting lipstick on a pig."
I'm always applying porcine makeup.
I'm going to have to borrow that saying I think.
Originally Posted By: rayc
PLUS it's someone listening critically one step removed which is always good.
I always suggest having someone else master for you, for this exact reason. Find a friend and master each others work.
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