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I just step entered an entire melody for a 72 measure melody. It worked fine. I changed the MIDI sound for the melody track and now the melody won't play. It is lighting up in time in the notation window, but no sound. The rest of the tracks work fine.

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Hi Funkifized, by "I changed the MIDI sound" do you mean you are using a different plugin for the sound, or are you still using the built-in MIDI synth (CoyoteWT)? The Melody track outputs on MIDI channel 4, so if you're using a different plugin you'll need to set that plugin to use channel 4.


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Hello! It would also help us to know which version year of the program you're using as well, just so we can best direct you if what Simon suggested above doesn't end up working out for you.


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Still using built-in synth MIDI.


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Hi Funkifized, build 840 is an old build. Please download and install the latest build for the 2021 version and see if that helps your issue: https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm


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When I go to "Check for updates", the dialog box cubes up with "Band-In-A-Box for Windows is up to date."

How would I have known about this update?


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The update didn't fix the problem.


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Can you upload the file so we can try at our end?


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When I go to "Check for updates", the dialog box cubes up with "Band-In-A-Box for Windows is up to date."

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The latest public update is always found on the PG Music website under the Support tab above. 842 is there now.


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But not in "Check for updates"? Do I need to look in that Support tab daily? Hourly? I've got work due with this app. If I'm not told about the updates that are going to hinder my work, this is a problem.


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I've got the file here: Melody not playing file

Does that work?


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Look at Alt-shift-L. I think you have activated a number of Practice items and soloist items (woodshedding and trading 4's) which may be the root of the problem. Also since you have frozen many of the tracks the arrangement does not fix itself with fresh regenerations.

No nevermind that....I appear to have it fully fixed but I had to take a drastic turn... Return to Factory Settings! When I do this I can now hear the entire melody as a jazz guitar patch. I did not do anything to the song but just RTFS to the program.

Can't really explain this one, but RTFS is always the ticket when BIAB is not doing what you know it should do.


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RTFS did not fix the problem. I can't change the MIDI sound for the melody, nor is there a melody playing. I've unfrozen all of the tracks, too. Regenerating does nothing to fix this.


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I have BIAB beta 843. Could that be the fix at my end?? Someone else has to step up and look at this file.


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Originally Posted By: MusicStudent
Someone else has to step up and look at this file.


Come on all you mididiots. Download and tell us what is wrong when you play with the midi melody line in this song. cry


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OK, got it downloaded. Seems to play fine for me. I didn't run it through my midi system just so I could hear it "raw". The melody line labeled Guitar 3 is plating a HQ sForzando patch 02701.

There is an odd patch on the line labeled Guitar 2, it's muted in the song but the description says its a RealTrack ~980; a rhythm electric guitar waltz. Strangely, when you unmute it and play that line, it sounds like a RealTrack sax solo.

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There is a sax solo Real Track, which is muted. The melody should be on the Guitar 2 track.


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Try this, see if you can hear your melody:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dUzRXeLVFS_E_KDr_1Eb7cUqAQV1s-43/view?usp=sharing

The track was set to use Sforzando. I removed that, so it should use the default synth instead.


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Guitar track 2 plays fine on my computer. It has Sforzando loaded with a PGMusic Jazz Guitar patch on my computer.


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Of course, that means to change patches, you need to either unload Sforzando from the track to select a standard GM patch using the default synth (what Simon did), or change patches from within the Sforzando VSTi interface.


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I reinstalled sforzando, and that fixed the problem. However, I find that if I choose a sforzando patch, I can no longer change back to other GM patches. This seems like a disingenuous move.

I can't open the file that you attached.


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I don't understand how to unload sforzando from the track. Why make it available to choose if it's only going to cause problems?


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If you would like to remove sforzando on your track, make sure you are on the Plugins tab of the mixer, click the track and select Remove Plugin in the menu.

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So, anytime I try a sforzando patch for a sound, I have to go through this to try a different sound?


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No, it is easier than that. Don't "Remove Plugin" as shown in the picture. Instead select "Choose Plugin". This will allow you to change to any of the Plugins you have installed. But I thought we had concluded that this did not work on your system.

Based on responses we have been getting, seemed like the problem was specific to something at your end. The file you sent works fine here.

I can select any sound plugin, including Kontakt if you want a real high Q sound.

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I reinstalled the Hi-Q plugin. So, it was on my end. However, I couldn't switch to any other non-Hi- sounds, which is why I'm back.

Is Kontakt expensive? Worth it? I don't understand why we can select Hi-Q patches but then have to jump through hoops to back out of them.


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Originally Posted By: Funkifized
I reinstalled the Hi-Q plugin. So, it was on my end. However, I couldn't switch to any other non-Hi- sounds, which is why I'm back.

Is Kontakt expensive? Worth it? I don't understand why we can select Hi-Q patches but then have to jump through hoops to back out of them.


It is not supposed to be that hard. Several have now indicated it is an easy switch. Standard operating procedure for auditioning different VST sound sources.

Regarding Kontakt, Yes and Yes. However, it is best used in your DAW.


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Beyond what Chantelle mentioned about removing plugins, some styles pre-load certain Hi-Q instruments. If you don't like using MIDI SuperTracks or Hi-Q instruments, you can always stick with all RealTrack Styles, but if you're working with MIDI Melody or prefer using General MIDI patches that may not be ideal. When you're in the StylePicker however, when you click on a Style, it should show you the instruments it will load at the bottom of the StylePicker, or provide you with a memo box that states info about the style. You can check either of these sections to see if a Hi-Q instrument is going to be loaded. In the memo box it outlines what gets loaded in text, but the instruments listed in the bottom left show the colour of the text. Anything light blue is going to be a MIDI SuperTrack.


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I'm using styles that have MIDI as well as Real Tracks. I just want to be able to enter the melody for my student to play along with. I'd like it to sound at least somewhat like a guitar, so the Hi-Q sounds work pretty well. If there's a better MIDI sound collection, I'd love to hear about it.

I don't know what MIDI Super Tracks are.


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Thanks, but I'm not necessarily looking for better sounding acoustic guitar MIDI. I tend toward electric blues/funk grooves, especially in a New Orleans funk/SW16 feel.

Some good sounding electric guitars for melody would be much appreciated. Horns, too.


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sorry, i thought i had suggested this link as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw5v7JRWUmo

just google best electric guitar plugin and choose videos - as well as the link above you'll get several to watch

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This is a little off-topic, but related. It's from the same file. I edited it down to this section. In measures 1, 3, and 5, the 4th note in those measures seems to be dropped or made staccato. I can't figure out why. It's the 8th note on beat 3.

What's wrong here? To see what I'm talking about, it's best to view in Notation mode. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TCR-MAH4UxFRji3xzxM761o5pbyBQOsT/view?usp=sharing


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We took a look at your file. Here is a screenshot of the first bar in the PianoRoll where the "staccato" note is heard. There are actually overlapping notes, which would result in it sounding different. I tried dragging the note length so they were beside each other instead of overlapping and it fixed that staccato effect.

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I use many times MAGIX SAMPLITUDE 's Virtual instruments and it's VANDAL SE for some great guitar sounds and then i add them to my BIAB song


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I've never heard of those. Expensive? Worth it? Are they easily selected in BIAB?


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MAGIX SAMPLITUDE AROUND $70 ...I WOULD LIKE TO TRY PRO TOOLS


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why pro tools when you already have nice SAMP.??
if your on windows you also have the nice REALBAND.

go on you tube and youll see lots of comparisons
between various daw software.

for example heres one...reaper (that i use with biab and realband ) compared with pro tools...from a pro tools veteran user.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKCvJsG-zrQ

the song and audio engineering skills imho are more important than what daw one uses these days.
frankly you can do a hit song in anything these days ..
all the daws are good...frankly i'm following harrison mixbus also these days. its a emulation of big studio harrison consoles i once used.


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How is this about $70? Looks like $300 to me.


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For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.

Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.

Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!

Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.

Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows® Today!

Update your Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows for free with build 1111!

With this update, there's more control when saving images from the Print Preview window, we've added defaults to the MultiPicker for sorting and font size, updated printing options, updated RealTracks and other content, and addressed user-reported issues with the StylePicker, MIDI Soloists, key signature changes, and more!

Learn more about this free update for Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows at www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1111

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Review: 4.75 out of 5 Stars!

If you're looking for a in-depth review of the newest Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows version, you'll definitely find it with Sound-Guy's latest review, Band-in-a-Box® 2024 for Windows Review: Incredible new capabilities to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs.

A few excerpts:
"The Tracks view is possibly the single most powerful addition in 2024 and opens up a new way to edit and generate accompaniments. Combined with the new MultiPicker Library Window, it makes BIAB nearly perfect as an 'intelligent' composer/arranger program."

"MIDI SuperTracks partial generation showing six variations – each time the section is generated it can be instantly auditioned, re-generated or backed out to a previous generation – and you can do this with any track type. This is MAJOR! This takes musical experimentation and honing an arrangement to a new level, and faster than ever."

"Band in a Box continues to be an expansive musical tool-set for both novice and experienced musicians to experiment, compose, arrange and mix songs, as well as an extensive educational resource. It is huge, with hundreds of functions, more than any one person is likely to ever use. Yet, so is any DAW that I have used. BIAB can do some things that no DAW does, and this year BIAB has more DAW-like functions than ever."

Convenient Ways to Listen to Band-in-a-Box® Songs Created by Program Users!

The User Showcase Forum is an excellent place to share your Band-in-a-Box® songs and listen to songs other program users are creating!

There are other places you can listen to these songs too! Visit our User Showcase page to sort by genre, artist (forum name), song title, and date - each listing will direct you to the forum post for that song.

If you'd rather listen to these songs in one place, head to our Band-in-a-Box® Radio, where you'll have the option to select the genre playlist for your listening pleasure. This page has SoundCloud built in, so it won't redirect you. We've also added the link to the Artists SoundCloud page here, and a link to their forum post.

We hope you find some inspiration from this amazing collection of User Showcase Songs!

Congratulations to the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

We've just announced the 2023 User Showcase Award Winners!

There are 45 winners, each receiving a Band-in-a-Box 2024 UltraPAK! Read the official announcement to see if you've won.

Our User Showcase Forum receives more than 50 posts per day, with people sharing their Band-in-a-Box songs and providing feedback for other songs posted.

Thank you to everyone who has contributed!

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